Scott McClellen- "Bush is a Fiscal Conservative"

PanTheMan · 09-21-2005, 11:15 PM

Scott McClellen, White House Press Secratary, today said President Bush is a 'Fiscal Conservative.' Even more so than Reagan, and possibly in the last 100 years.

Could one of you Bushies Please Explain How Is Bush a Fiscal Conservative? I am at a loss for words after hearing this....

wendybeth · 09-21-2005, 11:37 PM

Because he says he is.

(I know, I'm not a Bushie, but there you have it).

PanTheMan · 09-21-2005, 11:51 PM

Tax Cuts for the Wealthy (To Stimulate the economy

so far the only 'stimulation' is a bunch of CEO's Golf games ) 200 Billion in Iraq (So Far) 200 Billion on Katrina, over 1 TRILLION in Debt when we had surplus just five years ago, growing at an astounding rate. No new taxes to pay for anything, and now thay call him a 'Fiscal Conservative'... Doesn't this worry anyone?

Is Reality that far out of whack??

scaeagles · 09-22-2005, 05:55 AM

First of all, Bush is no fiscal conservative, and I suppose you would refer to me as a "Bushie".

Tax cuts have stimulated the economy. Always have, always will. The Reagan years are the perfect example of this. They also brought us out of the economic downturn that started 9 months or so prior to Bush taking office in 2001.

The deficit problem is one of spending, not of taxation. Cutting income taxes does little to affect the wealthy. They have their wealth sheltered and structured in ways as to pay the smallest amount of taes possible. The problem isn't the rate of taxation. The problem is the tax code, and if you want to rewrite it, I'm with you. Messing with income tax rates only affects that that are attempting to acquire wealth, not those that have it already.

Looking at the deficit as a percentage of GDP, as most economists do, it is well below what it has been historically.

It has been shown that the so-called surplus was from accounting tricks commonly used to make a bottom line look better. I can try to find appropriate links if anyone cares to see them. Also, they were "projected surpluses", and nothing real had yet materialized. I can "project" anything I like.

Morrigoon · 09-22-2005, 07:51 AM

You know who income taxes REALLY hurt? High income earners, not the wealthy (yes, there's a difference) People like doctors and lawyers who spent years in very expensive schooling to get where they are and who have to go to work every day to make the money they do... THAT's who it hurts.

The wealthy? They're investors. The last thing you wanna do is hurt investors (talk about a way to cause a recession!) But if your politicians can fool you into thinking they're "sticking it to the rich guy" by hurting high income-earners, then apparently that's enough to get your vote, which is all they care about. All you're really doing is perpetuating the gap between the rich and poor. Every time you try to "hurt" the rich, you're really hurting the guy in the middle or the guy on his way up, who don't have the money for the fancy accountants and other advisors to help him get all the cuts he deserves. All you're doing is making it harder for anyone else to get rich.

And I really don't believe anyone who spends the way Bush does is a fiscal conservative.

Nephythys · 09-22-2005, 08:07 AM

If he would just veto something! The pork in the highway bill, farm bill, etc etc!!!

Say NOOOOO to the spending!

sleepyjeff · 09-22-2005, 09:06 AM

Follow this line of logic:

If it is true that the Republicans get their support from the rich then it would follow that it would be in their best interest for the country to be comprised of as many rich people as possible.....

If it is true that the Dems get their support from the little guy then it would follow that it would be in their best interest for the country to be comprised of as many little guys as possible.....

PanTheMan · 09-22-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Follow this line of logic:

If it is true that the Republicans get their support from the rich then it would follow that it would be in their best interest for the country to be comprised of as many rich people as possible.....

If it is true that the Dems get their support from the little guy then it would follow that it would be in their best interest for the country to be comprised of as many little guys as possible.....

Back in 2000, when Bush was first running for President and the subject of his 'average' grades came up, several news agencies of course were scrambling to find them or find teachers who taught the Future President.
One station brought on this old as dust Yale Poli Sci teacher who remebered Bush had written a paper endorsing a 2 class system rather than the 3 class system. He wrote that a ruling class and a serving class politically were easier to control. As the Wealthy has Increased by 14%, and those in Poverty have increased 26% since his taking office, it does seem the middle class grows thinner.

living in Walnut Creek, Most of my freinds and neighbors are Republicans. My sister and Brother-in-law are Republicans, my Father was a die-hard Republican. So how did I end up going so wrong? (lol) my Grandparents were Dems and so is my Aunt who for years worked in Social Work. Them and my travels around the globe made me relize that the human race will always strive to be wealthy, and be better, but it is the weakest, those in need that define us. That test us. I Do believe society is a chain that is only as strong as it's weakest link. I DO NOT agree with many freinds and neighbors (and family) that the poor 'get what they deserve in life because they are lazy' etc... Things like AIDS, suffering, disasters, and poverty, who some believe are sent from God to 'punish', I believe are NOT sent from God to punish, but sent from god to test out compassion as a human race. WAY too many fail. Some fail even in the name of God.

I do think though after this coming election in November I will register as an independant though. I am getting tired of the FAR left railroading the party. Stil thinking about that one. If the Moderates continue to leave the Dems and GOP, we will leave those parties to the whack jobs. Probably not a good thing.

Not Afraid · 09-22-2005, 10:54 AM

One can claim to be a Fiscal Conservative but that does not mean one has to actually ACT like a Fiscal Conservative.

But, it sounds nice - especially with the Regan reference thrown in.

wendybeth · 09-23-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

One can claim to be a Fiscal Conservative but that does not mean one has to actually ACT like a Fiscal Conservative.

But, it sounds nice - especially with the Regan reference thrown in.

May be he's fiscally conservative on the homefront. You know, one of those rich dudes that only tip 5%, or pay their illegal immigrant housekeepers $2 an hour. I would believe that.

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PanTheMan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Somewhere between you, and just over there. Posts: 258	Tax Cuts for the Wealthy (To Stimulate the economy so far the only 'stimulation' is a bunch of CEO's Golf games ) 200 Billion in Iraq (So Far) 200 Billion on Katrina, over 1 TRILLION in Debt when we had surplus just five years ago, growing at an astounding rate. No new taxes to pay for anything, and now thay call him a 'Fiscal Conservative'... Doesn't this worry anyone? Is Reality that far out of whack?? __________________ What if the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about? ....
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09-22-2005, 05:55 AM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	First of all, Bush is no fiscal conservative, and I suppose you would refer to me as a "Bushie". Tax cuts have stimulated the economy. Always have, always will. The Reagan years are the perfect example of this. They also brought us out of the economic downturn that started 9 months or so prior to Bush taking office in 2001. The deficit problem is one of spending, not of taxation. Cutting income taxes does little to affect the wealthy. They have their wealth sheltered and structured in ways as to pay the smallest amount of taes possible. The problem isn't the rate of taxation. The problem is the tax code, and if you want to rewrite it, I'm with you. Messing with income tax rates only affects that that are attempting to acquire wealth, not those that have it already. Looking at the deficit as a percentage of GDP, as most economists do, it is well below what it has been historically. It has been shown that the so-called surplus was from accounting tricks commonly used to make a bottom line look better. I can try to find appropriate links if anyone cares to see them. Also, they were "projected surpluses", and nothing real had yet materialized. I can "project" anything I like.
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Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	You know who income taxes REALLY hurt? High income earners, not the wealthy (yes, there's a difference) People like doctors and lawyers who spent years in very expensive schooling to get where they are and who have to go to work every day to make the money they do... THAT's who it hurts. The wealthy? They're investors. The last thing you wanna do is hurt investors (talk about a way to cause a recession!) But if your politicians can fool you into thinking they're "sticking it to the rich guy" by hurting high income-earners, then apparently that's enough to get your vote, which is all they care about. All you're really doing is perpetuating the gap between the rich and poor. Every time you try to "hurt" the rich, you're really hurting the guy in the middle or the guy on his way up, who don't have the money for the fancy accountants and other advisors to help him get all the cuts he deserves. All you're doing is making it harder for anyone else to get rich. And I really don't believe anyone who spends the way Bush does is a fiscal conservative. __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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09-22-2005, 08:07 AM	#6
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	If he would just veto something! The pork in the highway bill, farm bill, etc etc!!! Say NOOOOO to the spending!
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09-22-2005, 09:06 AM	#7
sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	Follow this line of logic: If it is true that the Republicans get their support from the rich then it would follow that it would be in their best interest for the country to be comprised of as many rich people as possible..... If it is true that the Dems get their support from the little guy then it would follow that it would be in their best interest for the country to be comprised of as many little guys as possible..... __________________ River Guardian-less
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09-22-2005, 10:54 AM	#9
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	One can claim to be a Fiscal Conservative but that does not mean one has to actually ACT like a Fiscal Conservative. But, it sounds nice - especially with the Regan reference thrown in.
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