Whatever you do, don't take my finger!

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Yeah, I had my ear mutilated. It was a horror, but ya know ... I just kinda like the way it looks, so I did it. Hole put right through. Damn. And it hurt.

Wus.

[Prudence]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

A Jewish person more sensitive than myself might be offended by this. I'm not (I know you meant nothing by it), but I wanted to mention it. You might not want to talk about it being a damnable offense in mixed company. My kids are getting a traditional circumcision. Again, no hurt feelings, just a heads up

Er? I guess I'm a bit befuddled. I was having a moment of wildly tangential thinking the other night (surprise!) and the talk about performing medical procedures to cats naturally (in my mind) led to thinking about performing medical procedures on babies and actual experiences of people telling me that I'll go to hell for mutilating my currently non-existent children if I have them circumcised. Which surprised me, because I know that people in general have different feelings about the topic, but I had thought that most Christian denominations were right there with "our Jewish brethren" on the circumcision thing (less ceremony), but something happened when I was away at college and didn't go to church and then I came back and poof! It's the worst sin ever! When did this happen? So it was meant as a snarky comment toward some people I've encountered who seem to have forgotten that Jesus was Jewish and want to pretend that their faith sprang fully formed from the mists of time and whatnot.

[lizziebith]

Anyway, my understanding of the whole "covenant" issue was that it originally involved a "prick" (excuse me!) as in just a little touch of blood-letting there to sanctify the child, back when people were all into pouring blood (sacrificial lambs, chickens, what-have-ya) for to show homage to the all-mighty. Not a scalpel-induced "trimming" as it were. Which is what we've got going for the kiddies now. So why I chose no on the thang. I consider myself very spiritual, but picky when it comes to my rituals.

[Prudence]

I would just like to take this moment to state, for the record, that I am aware of the many forms of punctuation available to me. Furthermore, with a few exceptions (en-dash v. em-dash) I generally feel rather comfortable using punctuation. In fact, I have a favorite form of punctuation: the semi-colon. ; ; ; Isn't it beautiful? Like a comma and a colon, all rolled up into one.

I shall now depart to practice using punctuation in furtherance of my quest to utterly disrail threads everywhere.

[Morrigoon]

It's funny the circumcision thing came up. I'm not sure whether I'd have my male children circumsized or not. I keep thinking about it, but there seem to be good arguments on both sides.

I'm guessing my bf will probably have pretty black and white ideas on the topic (as he does on most topics) so I guess we'd do whatever he wanted. Hey, he's the guy, he's in a better position to decide a "guy" thing like that anyway. Better HE decides it's okay to cut than me, I have no "attachment" to the topic

[innerSpaceman]

General advice for der womenfolk: Let the father of the child decide what's to be done with your boy's dick.


Also, LB, as I have studied the Bible on this issue - - it was always removal of the foreskin that was the jewish covenant with God. A small prick of bloodletting upon the prick was, to my knowledge, never sufficient for the purpose.



Let's face it folks, those of us who are cut have this special deal with God. We get 40% off in exchange for that 1% off. If you don't want in on the deal, that's your choice.

But, trust me, let the father choose.

[Nephythys]

if the father gives a rat ass- sure....if they are gone and don't care and don't even see the kid because he's a useless jackass- I don't think I would bother-

[lizziebith]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

General advice for der womenfolk: Let the father of the child decide what's to be done with your boy's dick.


Also, LB, as I have studied the Bible on this issue - - it was always removal of the foreskin that was the jewish covenant with God. A small prick of bloodletting upon the prick was, to my knowledge, never sufficient for the purpose.



Let's face it folks, those of us who are cut have this special deal with God. We get 40% off in exchange for that 1% off. If you don't want in on the deal, that's your choice.

But, trust me, let the father choose.

And I did! I didn't think it involved "removal" but yeah, since I don't have one (a lovely little shrimp), I deferred to an owner on this issue. In spite of enormous pressure my ex just *couldn't* do it to his little offspring guy. And he was pretty sure, before said little guy was born, that he wanted "similarity." I know he wonders if he made the right choice, as do I from time to time, but it's [not] done, now. Maybe that "pricking" I read about is for adults who decide to embrace Judaism?

[Scrooge McSam]

*stay calm, sam you can do this*

Barring medical necessity, why not let the child decide when he's of the age to?

Medical authorities, the AMA no less, say there is no medical reason for this procedure on a newborn.

Why is it right and proper to operate on a boy's genitals with the parent's consent, but not a girl child? How many of you are ready to argue for female genital modification on a newborn?

*hold on, sam*

You do realize the surgery is done without anesthetic? Many mothers report how "quiet" their sons are after the procedure without realizing their son is in shock. Without getting too graphic, these body parts infolved are fused together much like the fingernail joins the flesh underneath. They can't be cut apart, they must be pulled apart, or ripped if you prefer. And without anesthetic, remember.

*easy... back off a little bit*

I don't understand how thinking people will allow their newborn sons to be treated in this manner. I don't know what to say. I guess I'm thankful I've seen most of your pictures and I know for a fact most of you don't have bones in your noses.

*FOUL! alright, that was outta line apologize now*

I'm sorry. That was a cheap shot. But I don't get it. Somebody please explain to me why this is right. Please?

[Tito's Kitten]

The whole circumcision thing surprised me when it happened. I delivered a boy (after I was told I was having a girl) and I didn't even think of it till my mom mentioned "are you getting him circumcised?" I sat back in shock and thought holy crap, I didn't even *think* about that. So we talked it over and after a rather awful story told to me by my boyfriend and some other things we decided yes, we would get it done. I did not do it for religious reasons though. I just understand why Prudence said what she said because people will make awful comments to you about it. (I just wanted to tell her hey I support you even if other peole don't.)

I did not want to offend anyone else either by buying drinks for Prudence in hell. (hey I am going there anyway for the chicken comments right?) but then it occured to me.... Maybe the circumcision is what has now caused my son to love all things Jewish. (no I am not kiddingnor am I trying to make fun of anything or anybody...) He totally loves menorahs,the prayers,wants to celebrate all the holidays, he tries to repeat all the Hebrew phrases on his baby einstein dvd. I mean I come into the den and he says "Shalom mommy. Can I learn Hebrew so you will get me a Menorah?"

And hey does anyone watch Pen and Teller Bulls**t? They showed a guy who MADE his foreskin come back. (after a LOT of tugging of course.) Just thought I would throw that out there. It was pretty weird.