The Plame Game - Page 3

innerSpaceman · 10-28-2005, 10:26 AM

I need a golf caddy.

scaeagles · 10-28-2005, 11:28 AM

And Libby should resign. Glad he did. He should be prosecuted for the crimes, and if found guilty, serve his time or pay his fine or both - whatever the law requires.

Gemini Cricket · 10-28-2005, 11:36 AM

Personal advisor to the second most powerful man in the country and maybe the world. Hmm. I'm thinking this indictment should have bigger ramifications. Like Cheney himself.

scaeagles · 10-28-2005, 11:38 AM

You think or you wish?

innerSpaceman · 10-28-2005, 11:44 AM

Can't speak for G.C. - but for me? Yeah, I think. He's Cheney's Chief of Staff, not merely "personal advisor." It's possible that he acted without the knowledge of his superior, but I find that concept doubtful.

It's likely that Cheney put 50 degrees of deniability between himself and the actual leak of Plame's name (which is why we likely won't see indictments as to the actual crime being investigated), but the degrees of cover-up often get dangerously close to the perpetrators. I really don't think it happens to stop at Scooter's desk and doesn't cross the tiny thin line to Dick's.

Gemini Cricket · 10-28-2005, 11:58 AM

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You think or you wish?

I believe I said 'think(ing)'.

Alex · 10-28-2005, 02:16 PM

But it doesn't appear that there is a finding that any crime happened initially just that Libby wasn't truthful about it after the investigation began. Whether Libby did it on his own or because of Cheney, if it were a crime to have leaked it Libby would still be indictable for it.

Of course, it may be that there'll be more from the next grand jury.

Gemini Cricket · 10-28-2005, 02:25 PM

My theory is that he might be waiting for Libby to speak out about the others... But it's just a theory.

Alex · 10-28-2005, 02:30 PM

I do like the conundrum of it though, since most people in favor of open government do not want to see these laws enforced against leaks to journalists, and yet many would really like to see the administration get burned however possible.

Scrooge McSam · 10-28-2005, 02:35 PM

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(which is why we likely won't see indictments as to the actual crime being investigated)

I'm not so sure about that.

TalkingPointsMemo.com has a juicy little tidbit on that subject.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	And Libby should resign. Glad he did. He should be prosecuted for the crimes, and if found guilty, serve his time or pay his fine or both - whatever the law requires.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Personal advisor to the second most powerful man in the country and maybe the world. Hmm. I'm thinking this indictment should have bigger ramifications. Like Cheney himself.
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Can't speak for G.C. - but for me? Yeah, I think. He's Cheney's Chief of Staff, not merely "personal advisor." It's possible that he acted without the knowledge of his superior, but I find that concept doubtful. It's likely that Cheney put 50 degrees of deniability between himself and the actual leak of Plame's name (which is why we likely won't see indictments as to the actual crime being investigated), but the degrees of cover-up often get dangerously close to the perpetrators. I really don't think it happens to stop at Scooter's desk and doesn't cross the tiny thin line to Dick's. Last edited by innerSpaceman : 10-28-2005 at 11:51 AM.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	But it doesn't appear that there is a finding that any crime happened initially just that Libby wasn't truthful about it after the investigation began. Whether Libby did it on his own or because of Cheney, if it were a crime to have leaked it Libby would still be indictable for it. Of course, it may be that there'll be more from the next grand jury.
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	My theory is that he might be waiting for Libby to speak out about the others... But it's just a theory.
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10-28-2005, 02:30 PM	#29
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I do like the conundrum of it though, since most people in favor of open government do not want to see these laws enforced against leaks to journalists, and yet many would really like to see the administration get burned however possible.
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