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[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

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Her husband's permission?!

yup- cause heaven forbid a man know his wife is killing his kid.

In the finance world husbands and wives have to sign off on all kinds of things- from beneficiaries down to a distribution from an account- but it's a horror when someone expects a man to be notified that his wife plans to off their kid?

I'm going to enjoy this-I do wonder if Miers was some sort of test- to see if the conservative base was as fired up as they used to be about this issue. Once that had been settled she bowed out- as planned. I wonder-

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

In the finance world husbands and wives have to sign off on all kinds of things- from beneficiaries down to a distribution from an account- but it's a horror when someone expects a man to be notified that his wife plans to off their kid?

Of course, this presumes the "kid" is her husbands...

[scaeagles]

All that does is highlight the inherent ridiculousness of current abortion/paternity law.

If it is the sole choice of the woman whether to allow the "unviable tissue mass" to enter the world as a human being, then it should be her complete and total financial responsibility. Her choice, her responsibility.

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I am not suggesting that men should not be financially responsible for the children they sire. I am simply pointing out what I consider to be inconsistent.

[Not Afraid]

I'm waiting for legislation requring rapists to need to give permission for aborting a pregnancy they caused.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Of course, this presumes the "kid" is her husbands...

well- yes...that is the basic assumption I made.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

All that does is highlight the inherent ridiculousness of current abortion/paternity law.

If it is the sole choice of the woman whether to allow the "unviable tissue mass" to enter the world as a human being, then it should be her complete and total financial responsibility. Her choice, her responsibility.

I'm not trying to be a jerk. I am not suggesting that men should not be financially responsible for the children they sire. I am simply pointing out what I consider to be inconsistent.

I don't necessarily see this as inconsistent, the man's choice just comes a bit earlier when deciding to participate in the procreative act - there are always risks invovlved, I don't think it too far a stretch to make men responsible for the risks they take.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Contrary to what GC has suggested, Miers was not vilified by the right because of her policies. It was because no one had any idea what she stood for and was clearly not the best nor most qualified for the job. I would suggest it would be difficult to find anyone more qualified by Alito.

(from Concerned Women for America's website) “Harriet Miers has shown respect for Christian values by attending an Evangelical church. But her professional and civic life leaves us questioning whether she chooses to reflect and advance the views of the group she’s with at the moment. Though she attends an Evangelical church known for its pro-life position, during the same time period she advanced radical feminists and organizations that promote agendas that undermine respect for life and family,” said Wendy Wright. “This drives us to rely upon her actions, her deeds, her words as opposed to the endorsements of those who have worked with and known her."

This is making a clear judgement on Miers for her actions, her policies. To me this says: She wasn't radically conservative enough for us. Withdraw her.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

If Alito doesn't go pay his respects, he is criticized for not caring. He goes, so it's criticized as a photo op. Yawn.

He was with Frist (who has problems of his own) and it was clearly a photo-op. He's exploiting the body of a dead woman for positive press.

And what does Alito care about civil rights anyway?

Alito dissented from a decision in favor of a Marriott Hotel manager who said she had been discriminated against on the basis of race. The majority explained that Alito would have protected racist employers by “immuniz[ing] an employer from the reach of Title VII if the employer’s belief that it had selected the ‘best’ candidate was the result of conscious racial bias.” [Bray v. Marriott Hotels, 1997]

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I'm waiting for legislation requring rapists to need to give permission for aborting a pregnancy they caused.

I believe that might be considered an extreme example. I don't know the complete statistics regarding abortions performed in the country, but I don't think anywhere close to a decent percentage are due to rape.

I could be mistaken - like I said, I don't know the numbers.

I'll make you a deal - I won't complain about abortion in the cases of rape or incest or to save the life of the mother if you'll agree to outlaw all others.

I didn't think so.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

I don't necessarily see this as inconsistent, the man's choice just comes a bit earlier when deciding to participate in the procreative act - there are always risks invovlved, I don't think it too far a stretch to make men responsible for the risks they take.

Well, the woman is involved procreative process as well, right? If they are both responsible before the act, and they are both responsible financially after the borth, shouldn't they both have a say in whether the child comes into the world or not?

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'll make you a deal - I won't complain about abortion in the cases of rape or incest or to save the life of the mother if you'll agree to outlaw all others.

Well, you can complain all you want and don't get anybody pregnant you don't want to have a child with. I won't complain when the government interveins with values that are not held my everyone in the country and legislate decisions that should be made my a medical professional qualified to make these decisions.