Concern for France and Europe

[Prudence]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Yes, but there isn't a particularly perceptible difference between Hispanic (or even specifically Mexican) violent immigrant disenfranchisement vs. the violent expression of disenfranchisment seen in other non-Hisapanic/Mexican neighborhoods. Or, to put it another way, a dangerous ghetto is a dangerous ghetto, no matter the ethnic make-up here. Of course there's always some nuance, but their identity as foreigners, at least from my limited perspective, doesn't seem to be the defining cause of the situation you describe. It seems to be more triggered by the broader problems brought on by being economically depressed that are common to all people.

I think that in some situations their identity as foreigners is a critical factor. Some groups have a language separation that other groups do not. This contributes to, and in some cases encourages, the creation of enclaves of particular ethnic groups. In reality, there are many people in this country, as well, who have no interest in assimilating. Or families where the children don't think it's cool to assimilate -- where assimilation is seen as turning one's back on one's "otherness" and a betrayal of family and heritage.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Prudence

I think that in some situations their identity as foreigners is a critical factor. Some groups have a language separation that other groups do not. This contributes to, and in some cases encourages, the creation of enclaves of particular ethnic groups. In reality, there are many people in this country, as well, who have no interest in assimilating. Or families where the children don't think it's cool to assimilate -- where assimilation is seen as turning one's back on one's "otherness" and a betrayal of family and heritage.

Perhaps it's becasue i live in Southern Califiornia, but the multi-cultural nature of this place makes "assimilation" kind of transparent, as the "norm" has stretched quite a bit and encompasses quite a bit of diversity. Europe on the other hand seems generations away from reaching such a point as they must first think of themselves as Europeans - just like the Turks.