Riding crop costumes go bye bye

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by €

I also think the current policies of Disneyland help promote that belief. Sure Disney is within it's rights to require weight standards (though actually that might not be true if my recolection of recent stewardess lawsuits are correct)

A side note re:legality. Save for a small handful of states that have passed specific laws, "overweight" is not legally considered a protected employment class unto itself. Therefore, an employer has the right to refuse employment based on weight/size, unless there is a specific medical reason for the applicant's weight. at least, this is according to the results of some ineternet research. ymv

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

Touche! Point taken.

(But I still don't agree. This is officially my I-suspect-I've-said-all-I-need-to-say point.)

Ah, and yet I, too, find Gretchen to be quite the hottie, completely gorgeous, and certainly beautiful, vivacious, and intelligent enough to be the perfect Tour Guide!

Frankly, for a position as uniquely important as Disneyland Tour Guide, I would indeed have the outfit custom tailored. You have come into quite a position of trust if you've landed that job (heck, I think you need to be bonded just to wear that uber-cool jacket pin), and it's hardly the standard, revolving-door CM job. Custom tailoring would be a must, cause I'd want both Gretchen and, say, Jen to look their best when showing guests around the Magic Kingdom.

[€uroMeinke]

I regret never being served by a french maid at Club 33 - but then the moment she spoke, if she wasn't actually French and lacked the accent - the magic would be destroyed for me and so would be my fantasy of discovering her hirsuit treasures. So perhaps the whole things is best left in the realm of fantasy.

I'll certainly miss the tour guide costume as the original it was - but I'll wait to see its replacement before I condem it.

[innerSpaceman]

^ a wise point of wait and see. Yet, if the change were so severe as to do away with the riding crop, I would not hesitate to base my opinion on prejudice.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

A side note re:legality. Save for a small handful of states that have passed specific laws, "overweight" is not legally considered a protected employment class unto itself. Therefore, an employer has the right to refuse employment based on weight/size, unless there is a specific medical reason for the applicant's weight. at least, this is according to the results of some ineternet research. ymv

I believe what I am refering to would be case law, in that a stewardess sued for wrongful termination when she no longer fir within the airlines weight guidelines. I'm not sure where this case went, if it settled (probably) or went to trial - or if it really exists - such is the faultiness of memory.

But yeah it's not a protected status in some states, just like homosexulaity.

[€uroMeinke]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

^ a wise point of wait and see. Yet, if the change were so severe as to do away with the riding crop, I would not hesitate to base my opinion on prejudice.

Ah, but what if it were replaced with a cat-o-nine-tails and a ruber face mask? (for the guests in liu of a pin).

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

But yeah it's not a protected status in some states, just like homosexulaity.

Whoo boy, that there is one can o' worms, and I haven't even begun contemplating what I'd feel regarding it, never mind actually open the can...

Originally Posted by LSPE

That's just my taste. Please don't imply that I am, or anyone else is, wishing for less plasticism in their pallate because it's "hip."

There have been plenty of posts here affirming what you're affirming - that the "standard" isn't anywhere near your own standards, and that the idea that there even is a standard is silly. I can see your points but I must also point out that in the end, there is going to be some sort of bell curve, some sort of gradiation. In the end you can go out and poll people, or see which body types get the best movie roles, or which kinds of porn are the most popular. And the businesses are going to do their best to find a common denominator.

Anyway. I think I've said everything many, many times. If there's anything I missed please let me know. I'm exhausted!

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Ah, but what if it were replaced with a cat-o-nine-tails and a ruber face mask? (for the guests in liu of a pin).

ha ha. He said bonded, not bondage.

[innerSpaceman]

Heheh, the Meister knows my tastes in, um, touring.

Nonetheless, I much prefer the sassiness of the pseudo-jockey costume over a more overt dominatrix uniform ... at least for the purposes of galavanting about the Magic Kingdom (though my personal Happiest Place on Earth might call for something more along the lines Euro suggested).

[Eliza Hodgkins 1812]

I don't want my Fairy Godmother looking like Charlize Theron any more than I want Peter Pan looking like John Goodman. (And I use John Goodman as an example because he's always lived large and I've always had a crush on him.) Character actors should look as much like the characters as possible, though I prefer *my* characters shrouded in plush wear. I’ll hug Mickey Mouse, but the chick playing Cinderella? I just *know* she has cooties – I don’t care how plastic perfect she is.

As for the rest, all I care about is having a tour guide who doesn't have a voice that makes me want to tear out my eardrums and I want my Jungle Cruise Captain to be funny. If I prefer the Captains to be male, that’s because I like crushing on funny boys more than I like crushing on funny girls.(Though, Sarah Silverman, if you’re reading this, LOVE ME and love me HARD.) Whether I find the Pirates staff to be attractive or not really doesn't matter, since I'm *always* going to find the animatronic pirates more attractive than any of the staff.

Because I'm a pervert who loves fictional pirates AND robots.

PER-VERT!

One of my ideal guys is this:



I like 'em big, hairy, scarred and drawn.

If Disneyland still looked like it was staffed by Nazi Youth, I'd shred my pass. (And that would be a shame considering that it was a pass very kindly paid for by friends I love.)

One of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes is the one in which everyone reaches an age where they are expected to get plastic surgery, choosing from templates so that everyone winds up looking like tract housing. And the girl really, really didn't want to get the surgery and was completely pressured into it. Scary, scary, scary and NOT a world I ever want to live in.

Sure there are cultural norms and varied standards of beauty, but what we find attractive as a society and what we find attractive as individuals really shouldn't have anything to do with job hiring. That people would want to hire more attractive people makes sense. It's likely an extension of biology - survival of the fittest, seeking a partner who is healthy and symmetrical and acne free, etc. Still, one can make sense of it without wanting to adhere to it, and I'd much rather see the world change for the better than see it turn into that Twilight Zone episode. Also, my parents have beautiful skin and wound up with acne riddled children. The joke is on biology. Or, a lack of diversity in biology. Anglos should stop mating with each other, I think. "Diversity Breeds Beauty" belongs on someone's horrifying t-shirt.

I'd much rather support films like the one Heidi wants to make with the hope that it *will* change people's perceptions. And, also, I hope her movie eradicates any further use of the "fat suit" contrivance found in so many contemporary comedies. I hate them, hate them, hate them!

Does my personal taste (Goon aside) ever venture into shallow territory? All the damn time, I’m sure. Do I overuse the word “hot”? Probably. I’m sure Heidi thinks so because she dislikes the word when it's used in that context. Do I think some people are more attractive than others? Yes. Do I, at first glance, find a certain body type more attractive than another? Yeah, I guess I probably do. Do I have a specific idea in mind of how people should look? No. Do I have an idea in mind of how people should look working in certain jobs? Maybe a little. I don’t need to find my waiter mattressable, but I'd prefer him to not sport open wounds and head lice. I like fire fighters to be in good shape because I believe their job demands it. And I expect my Weasley Twins to be every bit as adorable as they are in the books, because that makes the world just and perfect; thank God for good casting.