Riding crop costumes go bye bye

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

Completely inappropriate.

That's our Kevy!

[lashbear]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

What do you think a gay "bear" dream for DL would include? Lash, you want to jump in here? .

Thanks, don't mind if I do.

All the Male CM's would look like:

• SzczerbiakManiac
• ISM (and Zapppp from memory) when they had the facial hair
• Euromeinke
• Al Borland

All the female CM's would look like Al Borland too.


PS: Facial Hair is definitely a plus...... HINT HINT SM.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

That's our Kevy!

Tee hee. When I typed that, I knew it would probably come across as a compliment.

Regardless, I find a picture making fun of fat people in a thread that discusses such sensitive issues to be a bit..uh...I dunno...rude? But I realize that this is Kevy, and he has posted two at last count ridiculous songs in this thread, and therefore do not take it seriously. I still felt it needed to be said.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by lashbear

Thanks, don't mind if I do.

All the Male CM's would look like:

• SzczerbiakManiac
• ISM (and Zapppp from memory) when they had the facial hair
• Euromeinke
• Al Borland

All the female CM's would look like Al Borland too.


PS: Facial Hair is definitely a plus...... HINT HINT SM.

There's my husband being the Stone Cold Fox again. (PS: Boss Radio decided to call him that and it's great to see him turn red!)

It's about time others discovered what I already knew.

[TigerLily]

so...anyone see the new costumes yet?....

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by lashbear

PS: Facial Hair is definitely a plus...... HINT HINT SM.

Too late

[lashbear]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

Too late

OK, Now I have to have pictures. PM them if you must.


Oh, and I also forgot to mention that amongst the Bear CM's must be Kevy Baby & GD (Providing he's still got that goattee)

and STC, but only if he grows a mo and wears that lycra body suit again.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Thanks again to Mr. Meinke for actually making me think about my posts.

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

I guess what I wonder from you, is if there is this "standard," do you believe it needs to be upheld? As your posts seem to indicate that as inaccurate as the standard might be to the individual we should acceept it and furthermore promote it - through hiring and casting. You haven't really sadi that, but it seems to be the implication of your posts.

Ok. Now I see the problem. The feeling among those that have been mad at me involves the idea that because I dig places using attractiveness as one of the many qualities they can look for in a CM, it means that I do not support beauty of other types, and wish for everyone to promote the same beauty standard. This is not true. Like I've said before, my standards of beauty are not in lock-step with society's standards.

Making me think about this has prompted me to reexamine the original reason for the thread. Like I said, I can't personally decide that a certain costume size = beauty, since for me that's definitely not the case. In fact, I lean more on the heavy side when it comes to guys. Skinny guys aren't my thing at all. Doesn't mean I'd get naked for a 400 lb guy, but still, it's a valid point.

As I've urged others to consider, I know that my own standards are simply that, and very subjective. I would never expect a company's standard for beauty to fit my own either. I wouldn't expect someone hiring CMs to pick exactly the same people I'd pick, no matter what criteria we're talking about. I could say "pick the smartest person" or "the kindest person". There wouldn't be complete consensus on which fits the bill.

I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm ok with that. I'm ok with the company making it's own decisions as to who fits their casting better than others. And once again, I never advocated that beauty should be the only factor.

This brings me back to the size issue. It's becoming a sticking point in my head. Especially since it's the reason for this whole discussion! After all this crap it's becoming clear to me that in regards to selecting a specific costume size make or break, I couldn't make a distinction. I'd have to interview people and see which fit the many factors best. And if all I get are bimbos that look nice but can't do the job, then I'd definitely hire those that I find less attractive but can do the job.

As for businesses looking for a common denominator - maybe that was the modus operandi 20 years ago, but I know I work in a diverse work place and the people there aren't there for PC tokening reason, it's because it promotes creativity, it produces better products, in part becasue customers and clients respond better to people like them - though there those xenophobes who get bent out of shape when signage appears in a foriegn tongue.

I love working with a diverse group of people and having a diverse group of friends. That's the best part of the 'net community - we've got all kinds.

Your post infers that people are thinking that what I want is a generic world. I am sad that that's the implication people are getting from my posts. I'll always be a Jewish kid in a white world, a Libertarian in the face of Reps and Dems. There's no way I'd support true conformity of any kind.

Eliza mentioned the Twilight Zone where when you reach a certain age you choose a standard body. I was always so frightened by that episode. The mention of it now, in this context, frightens me too. As a person who never would consider cosmetic surgery (short of some disfiguring accident) I'm rather bummed that people would think that that my statements here are condoning that lifestyle. I think that what we're talking here is a difference between extremes and shades of gray.

To be perfectly honest, I've become very dismayed by this thread and what it may have done to my reputation. I will not retract my statements (except the messed up joke at the beginning) and I do feel this way regarding show practices. But the idea that my friends will see me and may feel that they are being judged for their appearance just tears me up. It's so untrue, so wrong, and I hope that my friends understand that.

Honesty really does bite me in the ass, all the time. I do wish I hadn't joined this thread. If I could keep my opinions to myself things would be much easier. I blame zapppop

Anyway, we'll be at the park on Sunday, for the first time in months. I'd love to see everyone and give out hugs...I really never meant to insult anybody.

Much love
Jennie

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Originally Posted by lashbear

Oh, and I also forgot to mention that amongst the Bear CM's must be Kevy Baby & GD (Providing he's still got that goattee)

Yup, goatee intact

[innerSpaceman]

I was at a Panda Express yesterday and it occured to me that, at everyone one of those I've ever been to, for years and years, the staff has been 100% Asian.

This is not a Mom & Pop operation that is hiring Asians as a support to that community. This is a mega-corporation that has decided to maintain a theme of Chinese food served exclusively by those who can pass for Chinese. They are using casting methods in their hiring practices, and they have clearly decided - rightly or wrongly - that their customers want their chow mein dished out by people who fit the chow mein theme.

I will never be hired by Panda Express. Woe is me.


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Creepy as Eliza's Twilight Zone episode is, I wouldn't mind at all if I could choose from one of 73 body types, and if everyone else did the same. (Faces are a different story, but lemme choose a body type and I'd be pretty happy about it).

Furthermore, even though my personal beauty standards go beyond the corporate common denominator standard - - - I have never had a problem finding those C.D. standard beauties to be beautiful. Even when Disneyland was populated by Nazi youth, I rarely found any of those Aryan brothers and sisters to be unattractive.

How can I fault Disney for going with the safest, common demonimator standards of beauty for something as common-denominator-pleasing as Disneyland? With thousands of cast members, there's bound to be an interesting range of looks no matter what beauty standards they apply. And whatever they do with the costume designs and sizes, I believe they - like many employers - will continue to hire the most beautiful, qualified people available.

Like CP, I don't put any stock in looks when interacting with friends (great post, btw, CP). But I won't deny that I react better to good looking strangers (yeah, tell me pretty girls don't have the world in their hands), and that I pretty much agree with society's standards of who's beautiful.


Sue me.