Riding crop costumes go bye bye - Page 22

MickeyLumbo · 12-03-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

If taking the tour is truly about the attractiveness of your tour guide, why not be able to schedule the appropriate one for you? Butch Bill hosting the 2:00, Twiggy McPhee at 3:30, Zaftig Zoe at 5, Marlin Metrosexual at 7:32?

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oh sure. it's Butch Bill at 2:00, but, at midnite, well, let's just say Hello Dolly!

lashbear · 12-03-2005, 07:16 PM

On the actual topic, I will say this:

THe tour-guide we had for the Keys To THe Kingdom Tour at WDW was of the generously proportioned persuasion, but we were more concerned about her rude manner ** than her outfit, which was (IMHO) flattering to that particular figure anyway.

**(Derail Warning) BTW: What happened was this - We were stopped in the HM Courtyard and she was in the middle of a very long yarn about the hidden mickeys in the WDW Mansion. Stoat has heard all about these from me ad nauseum and so he stepped away fromn the group for a brief time, and stood next to some other camera toting tourists, and snapped a pic of the mansion on this, the first sunny day we had seen at WDW.

She noticed the pic (the only one he had taken, BTW) and chided him abruptly in what I would call a "Old-fashioned school marm" manner, talking condascendingly to him as though he was a child and making pleading gestures with her hands. (I have a pic somewhere that I'll drag out.)

He was thoroughly shamed and it totally ruined the tour for him, and me. I realise he should have read the sign in the tour courtyard, but he was excited and distracted at the time. It's not even as if he was holding up the group, he just took a quiet moment to snap a pic we had not been able to get the whole trip. That said, there is a right way and a wrong way to chide someone, and she was OTT in my opinion. She could have asked him to stop quietly without making a dramatic example of him. We didn't complain to City Hall about her, as we were shamed into feeling guilty, but I had to suffer a miserable day for the rest of the day as a result

. (Derail over)

MickeyLumbo · 12-03-2005, 09:10 PM

one of the few things THIS obese CM remembers from my foggy drug-induced days in the hospital over a year ago is the visit from my SKINNY, FAT, UGLY, INSANE and BEAUTIFUL LoT family.

my point? i couldn't have been in a much less attractive place or worse mental state.

that visit was from TRUE friends that love me, regardless of my weight or state of mind. Those friendships grew stronger and because of the support and encouragement through this past year, i have made some amazing and fu<king awesome accomplishments.

it is important to me (for the purposes of THIS thread) that i point out my clear recollection of the visit by CP!! not to mention the personal time she gave me during recovery and the days that followed. i am clearly morbidly obese, i know it... it didn't and doesn't matter to my friend Jennie.

i doubt she wants to sleep with me, but that's ok, i like smaller titties on my date anyway.

now, to stay on topic,...
where the hell did Sactown hide that crop?

lashbear · 12-04-2005, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MickeyLumbo

where the hell did Sactown hide that crop?

Won't it clash with the lederhosen and the bambi suit ?

innerSpaceman · 12-04-2005, 09:13 AM

Yeah, I think this thread has morphed away from the Disney decision to a much more interesting conversation.

(No one has commented, btw, that blue is going to be far less noticeable in a crowd than red. I believe red was chosen for 'Tour Guide' for the same reason they wield the riding crop: Ask any tangle-haired middle ager what prime piece of paraphenalia is need to conduct a tour. It's all to do with visibility to your touring guests, and going from red to blue seems to fly in the face of touring color logic.)

Back to the better topic, though.

1955 or 2005, casting crising or glut of potentials, I believe most employers, most people will select their perception of beauty once all other factors are equal (and, in many cases, before reaching that stage of equality).

Despite the current casting crisis, I still believe the better-looking job candidate has a better chance of being hired. Of course, considering that Disneyland is apparently hiring people not qualified to even perform their jobs, I suppose the factor of measuring good-looks is pretty much out the window. I do not bemoan that. First and foremost, I think CMs should be qualified for their positions and, beyond that, I don't much care if they are standardly beautiful. It should be noted that I rarely see anybody I consider downright ugly (though, ahem, I have the good fortune of living in Southern California).

But Kevy was right (imo) about a couple of things. There is an innate standard of beauty encoded in our genes ... and whether it's based on facial symmetry, body weight, hip size ratio or muscle tone - - it's there and it's not going away. (Fortunately, we can choose to be HUMAN and use our minds and to overcome what our instincts tell us)

He's also right about fat people being primarily responsible for being overweight. Frankly, I think that's why this is a touchy subject ... and why a thread about height or sexual orientation or hair color wouldn't get people nearly as upset, even though people may be unhappy with their height or hair color or sexual orientation.

I think many people who are overweight feel guilty about it, and feel as if they should be doing something about it. Hence, the subject can push a lot of emotional buttons ... and I regret if anyone has been made to feel bad. Unless you approach the health affects territory discussed in Lashbear's spin-off thread, there's nothing inherently wrong with being fat. But it IS (in most cases) a matter of personal responsiblity and choice.

SacTown Chronic · 12-04-2005, 10:24 AM

Hate to tell you, Fingercuffs, but Crystal says you'll get that riding crop back when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

MickeyLumbo · 12-04-2005, 10:31 AM

you sound so much like a conservative spokesperson for a gun club.

HA. the truth is out.

and i bet you just love me for my child bearing hips too.

€uroMeinke · 12-04-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

He's also right about fat people being primarily responsible for being overweight. Frankly, I think that's why this is a touchy subject ... and why a thread about height or sexual orientation or hair color wouldn't get people nearly as upset, even though people may be unhappy with their height or hair color or sexual orientation.

I'm not so sure here at least with sexual orientation. Some of the arguments remind me of the Christian "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin" arguments I've seen on other boards. That is they have no problem with gay people it's just gay behavior they have issue with - and certainly if one can refrain from sex much easier than refrain from eating? (BTW I think those arguments have gotten much more heated than this one)

I'm not sure how much "responsibility" plays in the reactions as personal body image. People who are confident about themselves are just plain sexier than those who aren't regardless of actual beauty metrics or standards.

Being an obese person myself, I've always thought myself "large" even during my college days when I lost a lot of weight I thought that of myself, and saw it in pictures taken of me at the time. Today when I look at those pics, I wonder how I could have possibly thought that about myself when the photographic evidence is so contrary to my percieved reality of the time. There is some odd psychology at play so that I think people often do feel helpless in their attempts to loose weight.

When we talked about this offline last night you mentioned "guilt" as a factor, but I wonder if it's really shame. Not so much guilt that you can't loose the weight, but shame that you gained it in the first place. I'd say for me anyway, that's closer to my personal experience - when I think about those things anyway.

Boss Radio · 12-04-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

It should be noted that I rarely see anybody I consider downright ugly (though, ahem, I have the good fortune of living in Southern California).

I encounter ugly people quite often. Most of them are very good looking.

Motorboat Cruiser · 12-04-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss Radio

I encounter ugly people quite often. Most of them are very good looking.

Ain't that the truth.

12-03-2005, 07:16 PM	#212
lashbear SwishBuckling Bear Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In Isolation :) Posts: 6,597	Slight Derail ahead On the actual topic, I will say this: THe tour-guide we had for the Keys To THe Kingdom Tour at WDW was of the generously proportioned persuasion, but we were more concerned about her rude manner than her outfit, which was (IMHO) flattering to that particular figure anyway. (Derail Warning) BTW: What happened was this - We were stopped in the HM Courtyard and she was in the middle of a very long yarn about the hidden mickeys in the WDW Mansion. Stoat has heard all about these from me ad nauseum and so he stepped away fromn the group for a brief time, and stood next to some other camera toting tourists, and snapped a pic of the mansion on this, the first sunny day we had seen at WDW. She noticed the pic (the only one he had taken, BTW) and chided him abruptly in what I would call a "Old-fashioned school marm" manner, talking condascendingly to him as though he was a child and making pleading gestures with her hands. (I have a pic somewhere that I'll drag out.) He was thoroughly shamed and it totally ruined the tour for him, and me. I realise he should have read the sign in the tour courtyard, but he was excited and distracted at the time. It's not even as if he was holding up the group, he just took a quiet moment to snap a pic we had not been able to get the whole trip. That said, there is a right way and a wrong way to chide someone, and she was OTT in my opinion. She could have asked him to stop quietly without making a dramatic example of him. We didn't complain to City Hall about her, as we were shamed into feeling guilty, but I had to suffer a miserable day for the rest of the day as a result . (Derail over) __________________ *I Heart* my Husband - I can't think of anyone I'd rather be in isolation with.**
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12-03-2005, 09:10 PM	#213
MickeyLumbo thankfully grateful Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: shangrila Posts: 1,388	one of the few things THIS obese CM remembers from my foggy drug-induced days in the hospital over a year ago is the visit from my SKINNY, FAT, UGLY, INSANE and BEAUTIFUL LoT family. my point? i couldn't have been in a much less attractive place or worse mental state. that visit was from TRUE friends that love me, regardless of my weight or state of mind. Those friendships grew stronger and because of the support and encouragement through this past year, i have made some amazing and fu<king awesome accomplishments. it is important to me (for the purposes of THIS thread) that i point out my clear recollection of the visit by CP!! not to mention the personal time she gave me during recovery and the days that followed. i am clearly morbidly obese, i know it... it didn't and doesn't matter to my friend Jennie. i doubt she wants to sleep with me, but that's ok, i like smaller titties on my date anyway. now, to stay on topic,... where the hell did Sactown hide that crop?
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12-04-2005, 09:13 AM	#215
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, I think this thread has morphed away from the Disney decision to a much more interesting conversation. (No one has commented, btw, that blue is going to be far less noticeable in a crowd than red. I believe red was chosen for 'Tour Guide' for the same reason they wield the riding crop: Ask any tangle-haired middle ager what prime piece of paraphenalia is need to conduct a tour. It's all to do with visibility to your touring guests, and going from red to blue seems to fly in the face of touring color logic.) Back to the better topic, though. 1955 or 2005, casting crising or glut of potentials, I believe most employers, most people will select their perception of beauty once all other factors are equal (and, in many cases, before reaching that stage of equality). Despite the current casting crisis, I still believe the better-looking job candidate has a better chance of being hired. Of course, considering that Disneyland is apparently hiring people not qualified to even perform their jobs, I suppose the factor of measuring good-looks is pretty much out the window. I do not bemoan that. First and foremost, I think CMs should be qualified for their positions and, beyond that, I don't much care if they are standardly beautiful. It should be noted that I rarely see anybody I consider downright ugly (though, ahem, I have the good fortune of living in Southern California). But Kevy was right (imo) about a couple of things. There is an innate standard of beauty encoded in our genes ... and whether it's based on facial symmetry, body weight, hip size ratio or muscle tone - - it's there and it's not going away. (Fortunately, we can choose to be HUMAN and use our minds and to overcome what our instincts tell us) He's also right about fat people being primarily responsible for being overweight. Frankly, I think that's why this is a touchy subject ... and why a thread about height or sexual orientation or hair color wouldn't get people nearly as upset, even though people may be unhappy with their height or hair color or sexual orientation. I think many people who are overweight feel guilty about it, and feel as if they should be doing something about it. Hence, the subject can push a lot of emotional buttons ... and I regret if anyone has been made to feel bad. Unless you approach the health affects territory discussed in Lashbear's spin-off thread, there's nothing inherently wrong with being fat. But it IS (in most cases) a matter of personal responsiblity and choice.
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12-04-2005, 10:24 AM	#216
SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Hate to tell you, Fingercuffs, but Crystal says you'll get that riding crop back when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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12-04-2005, 10:31 AM	#217
MickeyLumbo thankfully grateful Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: shangrila Posts: 1,388	you sound so much like a conservative spokesperson for a gun club. HA. the truth is out. and i bet you just love me for my child bearing hips too.
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