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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

But that is where I disagree, I know plenty of people who are fat and it has everything to do with who they are (whiny, incapable of taking responsibility for personal choices, lazy, etc.).

But yes, generally there is no reason to judge someone for being fat because one don't have the details or a need to make personal decisions based on such a judgment (see also, the thread about judging a while ago)

This might just be a restatement of the above - but I'd venture the judgements as such are flawed since there is no universal correspondence. There are plenty of lazy skinny people as there are industrious fat people - really on those topics if fat is part of the equation you really can judge them on how those things relate to eating or exercize habits. They tell you nothing about how one might run a company, or be in bed (aside from the tactile experience I suppose). So such judgements really don't seem to have much value.

[Alex]

No, but if all they do is bitch about their weight and yet make the personal choices that exacerbate the issue I'm going to judge them for it and decide I don't need to be around them much.

Like I said above these are not character flaws that follow from being fat, but they are, for some, character flaws that are revealed by being fat. It is not the fat, per se, that I am judging. It is their relationship with being fat.