Librarians turned snitch? - Page 5

innerSpaceman · 12-19-2005, 06:15 PM

And, according to legal reseach I've done today, Bush has commited a felony and is a criminal. There's no law that allows him to go around FISA in issuing warrants. It's the settled law of the land, according to the legislature and the rulings of the Supreme Court. He's a crook.

Clinton was also a crook. He perjured himself. He was impeached for it.

Bush has commited a felony. Argue with that if you will, scaeagles ... but I really want to know if - ASSUMING it's a felony and that Bush is therefore a felon - would you be in favor of Bush being impeached for it? Hypothetically. Indulge me.

scaeagles · 12-19-2005, 06:22 PM

I'll indulge you....

First, I'll say that from what I've read - and granted, I am not a lawyer - Bush has not committed a felony. However, hypothetically.....

Yes. If Bush has committed a felony, then he should be impeached and removed from office.

Edited to add:
You realize this means Cheney would be President. I could live with that.

I predict, however, that this will fail to gain traction politically or legally.

Ghoulish Delight · 12-19-2005, 06:48 PM

It's a sad age we live in when lying about a bj or talking about farts and lesbians are worse offenses than jeopardizing the freedoms on which this country was founded.

Motorboat Cruiser · 12-19-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

and granted, I am not a lawyer

Is that you, Condi?

wendybeth · 12-19-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'll indulge you....

First, I'll say that from what I've read - and granted, I am not a lawyer - Bush has not committed a felony. However, hypothetically.....

Yes. If Bush has committed a felony, then he should be impeached and removed from office.

Edited to add:
You realize this means Cheney would be President. I could live with that.

I predict, however, that this will fail to gain traction politically or legally.

Unless it could be proved that Cheney is the one who leaked the story, along with the Plame case.... Who else has such a great motive?

€uroMeinke · 12-19-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

Unless it could be proved that Cheney is the one who leaked the story, along with the Plame case.... Who else has such a great motive?

So then we get Condi? I could probably live with that.

Prudence · 12-19-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

So then we get Condi? I could probably live with that.

Well, no, first would be the Speaker of the House, then the President pro tempore of the Senate, and then Condi.

wendybeth · 12-19-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Prudence

Well, no, first would be the Speaker of the House, then the President pro tempore of the Senate, and then Condi.

Then, Al Haig.

scaeagles · 12-19-2005, 08:43 PM

I do wonder what everyone thinks about Lincoln. Those items I mentioned earlier most certainly did happen, along with many other questionable and perhaps illegal actions. Were they a necessary evil? It is certainly possible at the time that he was viewed as a Constitution hating power hungry egomaniac. History does not view him this way.

Do we live in a country where there are necessary evils? Government itself is a necessary evil.

Name · 12-19-2005, 08:43 PM

Going back a large number of posts in this thread, I have a hard time believing a former spy(Mr. Frost) would go into such depths on what would be highly classified information on a national news program and not be in Fort Levenworth. He would have to get a lot of clearances from the many organizations to be able to appear and disclose such things, and they would only be disclosed by the approval of the organizations. I can't imagine they would approve of him disclosing those things. Once you are no longer a spy, your responsibility for safeguarding classified information does not stop. Sounds a lot like a smokescreen and scare tactics to me.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And, according to legal reseach I've done today, Bush has commited a felony and is a criminal. There's no law that allows him to go around FISA in issuing warrants. It's the settled law of the land, according to the legislature and the rulings of the Supreme Court. He's a crook. Clinton was also a crook. He perjured himself. He was impeached for it. Bush has commited a felony. Argue with that if you will, scaeagles ... but I really want to know if - ASSUMING it's a felony and that Bush is therefore a felon - would you be in favor of Bush being impeached for it? Hypothetically. Indulge me.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I'll indulge you.... First, I'll say that from what I've read - and granted, I am not a lawyer - Bush has not committed a felony. However, hypothetically..... Yes. If Bush has committed a felony, then he should be impeached and removed from office. Edited to add: You realize this means Cheney would be President. I could live with that. I predict, however, that this will fail to gain traction politically or legally.
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	It's a sad age we live in when lying about a bj or talking about farts and lesbians are worse offenses than jeopardizing the freedoms on which this country was founded. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I do wonder what everyone thinks about Lincoln. Those items I mentioned earlier most certainly did happen, along with many other questionable and perhaps illegal actions. Were they a necessary evil? It is certainly possible at the time that he was viewed as a Constitution hating power hungry egomaniac. History does not view him this way. Do we live in a country where there are necessary evils? Government itself is a necessary evil.
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Name Title Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: here Posts: 779	Going back a large number of posts in this thread, I have a hard time believing a former spy(Mr. Frost) would go into such depths on what would be highly classified information on a national news program and not be in Fort Levenworth. He would have to get a lot of clearances from the many organizations to be able to appear and disclose such things, and they would only be disclosed by the approval of the organizations. I can't imagine they would approve of him disclosing those things. Once you are no longer a spy, your responsibility for safeguarding classified information does not stop. Sounds a lot like a smokescreen and scare tactics to me. __________________ Signature
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