100,000 Protestors... Angry mobs of students...

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

A majority of us here from somewhere else. (Well, I'm Hawaiian and a bit of Cherokee but that's a different story.) Now that we're here, we're telling everyone else how to come over here. How does that work? Does anyone making/voting for these laws think back and say, 'Hmmm, sounds kinda hypocritical doesn't it?'

Wow - we're just disagreeing about everything this morning, aren't we?

Most certainly we are mostly here from somewhere else. But historically, why did we not even think about restricting immigration until the late 1800s? Because we had a vast amount of land to populate. Of course we are making different rules. Rules change all the time depending on the current situation. It is not hypocritical in the least.

If we wish to talk about hypocrisy, as I mentioned before, let's talk about the root of the problem, being the Mexican government, who demands open borders with the US and full access to social services, yet brutalizes Guatemalans who who cross their border with Mexico.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

...let's talk about the root of the problem, being the Mexican government, who demands open borders with the US and full access to social services, yet brutalizes Guatemalans who who cross their border with Mexico.

That's an interesting subject. Hmm. Of course, now that you've brought that up I can't say anything about the hypocrisy of sons of immigrants telling new immigrants not to come in. I'm so distracted now. Oy.

That's why we're tough on immigration? We're running out of land? I just drove across country. We still have lots of land. We're not running out.

This whole thing is a guise by the government to make everyone feel that they are doing something about our country's security. That's all it is. Rumsfeld just announced that gov't investigators smuggled dirty bomb material in at the Texas border and Washington border. Both borders failed the test. If it were real, there would be two dirty bombs in our country right now. Since 2001, Bush has done squat to protect us. It's all for show and all for not.

Two teams of government investigators using fake documents were able to enter the United States with enough radioactive sources to make two dirty bombs, according to a federal report made available Monday.

Source

[scaeagles]

I guess the anger thread is a good place for you today, GC.

So, you are critical of Bush for not doing more to secure the borders - and I'm with you 100% on that - but in the same breath you are basically saying it is not right to control the borders to stop the flow of illegals coming across.

I see an inconsistency here, unless I am misreading what you are saying.

You brought up the hypocrisy of those that are here not wanting anyone else to have a piece. I don't know anyone that opposes legal immigration. I know of them, like Pat Buchanen, but none personally. It's illegal immigration. So it isn't that we're trying to keep people out. We're trying to keep track of those getting in. Anyway, bringing up what you consider to be hyposritical made me want to point out the biggest hypocrisy out there.

You are falling for what the organizers of the protests want you to fall for, which is to confuse legal with illegal immigration. You mock my "land to populate" argument, but it is true. The growing US needed to have enough people to spread out across the new territories. Once that had been met and we were populated coast to coast, restrictions went into effect.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I guess the anger thread is a good place for you today, GC.

Yup.

Originally Posted by scaeagles

So, you are critical of Bush for not doing more to secure the borders - and I'm with you 100% on that - but in the same breath you are basically saying it is not right to control the borders to stop the flow of illegals coming across.

Securing the borders is his mantra. I'm saying it can't be done, not in the way he wants to. Talk about land... there's a lot of it. And if security is on his mind, shouldn't the fact that the hijackers came in through Canada be on his mind also? Unless I heard it wrong, that's where they came from. So why focus on the southern border?

Originally Posted by scaeagles

You are falling for what the organizers of the protests want you to fall for, which is to confuse legal with illegal immigration.

Yeah, me and 250,000 protesters fell for it. I'm glad to see any kind of protest anywhere in this country of that magnitude. I'm also glad to see it in the mainstream media, usually you don't see protests on Fox 'News'.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Yeah, me and 250,000 protesters fell for it.

There was a student speaking at a protest here in Phoenix. What he said was picked up on the news. He said - and this is an exact quote -

"I am here legally. My family is here legally. And they want to take it all away from us."

The crowd cheered him.

Actually, no one wants to take anything away from anyone who is here legally. Yes, GC, there is a HUGE percentage of protesters who don't even know what they are protesting.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Yes, GC, there is a HUGE percentage of protesters who don't even know what they are protesting.

So let's dismiss all of their concerns. Let's interview each one and put them in credible and not credible stacks. People do not assemble in this country in those numbers for nothing. If they're not getting the message that they will not be impacted by this law, then isn't it possible that the message ain't all that clear?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

And if security is on his mind, shouldn't the fact that the hijackers came in through Canada be on his mind also? Unless I heard it wrong, that's where they came from. So why focus on the southern border?

Actually, one was through Washington, the other through Texas, so it was both borders that failed.