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Old 01-28-2005, 12:07 PM   #11
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I would love, for once, to see that sort of rhetoric spit at the man who actually guilty of raping the country and people of Iraq.....

I think it's great- I look forward to the results as well.
You know there are people in Iraq who think that man is President Bush.

I'm hopeful the Iraqis recognize the tremendous opportunity they have with these elections, a chance at self determination they haven't had in years (ever?), and they aren't scared away from voting. I don't entirely support the events that got them (and US) to this point but yeah, I think it's great too.

Like GD, I'm not convinced an election can be held but I'm very hopeful.
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My point in bringing that up is demonstrating that Bush's rhetoric of freedom is a bunch crap.
Well, 4 years in office and 50 million people now allowed to vote in two separate countries.....doesn't sound like crap to me. Sounds like the first steps in a very long process.
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Old 01-28-2005, 12:20 PM   #13
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Ends do not justify the means. While I will be glad if Iraq turns out well, it does not absolve Bush.
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You know there are people in Iraq who think that man is President Bush.

I'm hopeful the Iraqis recognize the tremendous opportunity they have with these elections, a chance at self determination they haven't had in years (ever?), and they aren't scared away from voting. I don't entirely support the events that got them (and US) to this point but yeah, I think it's great too.

Like GD, I'm not convinced an election can be held but I'm very hopeful.
I'm remaining hopeful, too...

Not much we can do now, anyway...

(oooh! i think this is my first political post, and it was all to say nothing in particular... Fancy that!)
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Old 01-28-2005, 12:21 PM   #15
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Well, 4 years in office and 50 million people now allowed to vote in two separate countries.
Bush didn't go into either country with the intention of spreading freedom. You're confusing reality with post-invasion spin.


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Old 01-28-2005, 01:24 PM   #16
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To the contrary. One clearly stated point of the war on terrorism is that democracies do not attack each other and democracies do not support or sponsor terrorists, and therefore spreading democracy is the best way we can protect ourselves.

This was most definitely one pre-invasion reason for disposing of the Taliban. While certainly not at the forefront of the invasion of Iraq, it was still a reason.
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Hey! Look over there! It's Osama!

Nice distraction.
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Old 01-28-2005, 01:39 PM   #18
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Hey! Look over there! It's Osama!
Has there been an elevated terror warning color-coded thingy since the election?
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Old 01-28-2005, 01:42 PM   #19
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Here or in Iraq? That's the interesting irony. Terrorism has increased since we invaded Iraq, but everyone seems to be okay with it because it's over there not here. So we're happy with liberating them, as long as that means they become a lightning rod for terror attacks, nevermind the scores and scores of American citizens (military) that have been killed by terrorist attacks there.
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Old 01-28-2005, 03:10 PM   #20
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Terrorism has increased since we invaded Iraq, but everyone seems to be okay with it because it's over there not here.
I know a Republican who told me that Bush is a genius for drawing all the terrorists into Iraq and fighting them there. Life's precious, eh? Viva freedom!


I meant terror warnings here in America. They seemed to have stopped. I know they bumped up the color scheme for the inauguration, but that's the only post-election threat warning I can think of. I guess there's no need to scare the electorate at the moment.
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