100,000 Protestors... Angry mobs of students...

[innerSpaceman]

As for the stupid flag stuff .... it's very unfortunate that in a crowd, a certain percentage of people will act like a mob.

Here in L.A., the Spanish-language media was urging protestors to carry only American flags. That would have been more politic, imo. But plenty of Mexican and other Central American flags were carried in a huge protest that stayed completely peaceful and respectful. For a crowd that size (upwards of half a million), I find that quite an accomplishment in itself.


Also, let's remember that - here in the southwest - we are relative newcomer conquerers in their country, not the other way around. And the demographics are unstoppable ... Latinos will be the majority population in our children's lifetimes. Not the majority minority (which they are today), but the outright majority. They are just beginning to flex their political muscle, and we'd better get used to it.


I bet lots of native americans said "get the fvck out," too. See what good that did.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

His "cause", as I was putting it, is simply his legal defense.

I do not believe that burning a Mexican flag means that you hate Mexicans any more than burning an American flag means you hate Americans. It can mean that, but it is certainly not always the case. I don't even think if the kid started beating up the kid that did it would mean he hates Mexicans (I would not support him legally, though, should he have done that). You seem to be assuming he does hate Mexicans.

I'm sure the people burning the flag in the MIddle-East don't hate us, they just dislike our flag's color scheme.

The burning of a flag (like burning effigies) is indicative of an extreme feeling, and that ain't love. Unless, of course, a person is merely demonstrating their right to do so.

[Gemini Cricket]

Ooh, water cannons on the Great Wall of America! How fun!

We could also build a Wall*Mart that is actually in the wall itself. The customer entrance will be on the US side and the employees entrance will be on the Mexico side!

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I'm sure the people burning the flag in the MIddle-East don't hate us, they just dislike our flag's color scheme.

The burning of a flag (like burning effigies) is indicative of an extreme feeling, and that ain't love. Unless, of course, a person is merely demonstrating their right to do so.

Geez! I guess I am not being specific enough.

I don't think that Americans burning the US Flag in a protest are saying they hate Americans. Of course in the context of the middle east it means somehting completely different. I am not willing to simply say this kid hates Mexicans because he burned the Mexican flag. That is a judgement that no one is qualified to make unless the kid comes out and says "I did it because I hate Mexicans".

The flag was run up the flagpole twice. The first time it was taken down and givcen back to the students who raised it. The second time it was burned. I interpret that as the kid saying if you aren't going to stop then I will prevent it from happening again.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I bet lots of native americans said "get the fvck out," too. See what good that did.

Duly noted- however the USA is not an annex of Mexico. Immigration is one thing, people who think they can come here, reap financial benefit (especially taxpayers funded) pay no taxes themselves, and not have any consequences is another.

It's a passive invasion.

(and for the record I would feel this way about any illegals, I don't care where they come from)

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

We could also build a Wall*Mart that is actually in the wall itself. The customer entrance will be on the US side and the employees entrance will be on the Mexico side!

You must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Gemini Cricket again.

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

We could also build a Wall*Mart that is actually in the wall itself. The customer entrance will be on the US side and the employees entrance will be on the Mexico side!

Brilliant!

[innerSpaceman]

Nehph - where are you getting the "pay no taxes" part? Undocumenteds pay plenty of taxes. Social Secutity taxes for the most part. Which they pay in, but don't take out - btw. They by and large do not earn enough to pay income taxes.

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Scaeagles - by your logic of where the flag burning takes place, the American boy burning the Mexican flag while on American soil communicates the message "I hate Mexico." You seem to me to be demonstrating quite the double standard there.

[SacTown Chronic]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

It's a passive invasion.

Is that like when the woman is on top?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Scaeagles - by your logic of where the flag burning takes place, the American boy burning the Mexican flag while on American soil communicates the message "I hate Mexico." You seem to me to be demonstrating quite the double standard there.

To the contrary. Context is everything.

In the Middle East, protests are organized with the intent of saying "I hate America", and burning the American flag is certainly part of it.

This was not an organized protest where a kid went to a gathering where the purpose was to protest Mexico. He made a rash decision in the heat of the moment when his other attempt at resolving the issue - taking the Mexican flag down the first time and returning it to the students who raised it - was not successful.

That is certainly a far, far cry from a proclamation of hatred of Mexico.

I hate the Mexican government. They are corrupt and are in fact the reason there is a huge illegal immigration problem in this country. Does this mean I hate Mexico? I don't know.