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BarTopDancer · 04-05-2006, 11:01 PM

So, I'm not sure if this was brought up here, or if it is the proper thread for it but...

I've seen a few articles putting a slant on this that Mexico is invading the USofA. They cast the illegal aliens as the insurgents and Fox as the leader.

And I'm not so sure I disagree with this view.

Why are we giving people [from any country]* who are here illegally the same rights as those who are here legally? Why should they be allowed to vote? What about the huge drain that they put on our health care and social services system?

I suppose it goes back to making sure every other country is taken care of while we have homeless and hungry families out on the street and thousands of others one paycheck away from being on the street. But why should we help them? Let's help all those who are here illegally first while citizens go hungry and homeless!

Now before I'm painted as a cold hearted bitch who wants to see the economy fail as a result of no-one around to do the hard labor for pittance wages I'll say this... I'm all for work visas. And I'm for getting families and people who have been working hard and are not relying on our social services to support them established here legally. But all those who are draining our social services? Support yourself or get out. We have too many of our own citizens who need help and you're just draining it.

*which brings up another point. If illegal aliens are given the right to vote, will it just be illegal aliens from Mexico? Or those from Cuba, Korea, China, Vietnam and all the other countries people are here from as well. Same with Work Visas. Just those from Mexico or those from other countries.

Would we be reacting this way if a bunch of kids from Korea took down the American flag and raised their flag? Replace anything Mexican with a different country. What would we be doing then? If all the Vietnamese people spoke up maybe we'd have to teach classes in Vietnamese and our bi-lingual labels would be English/Vietnamese and not English/Spanish. (Yes, I realize in areas this is the case, I'm just making a hypothetical situation).

Nephythys · 04-10-2006, 10:01 AM

Not a word on this today? I'm surprised.

Pictures worth a 1000 words....or more

The gov't has failed....abysmally. But hey, the democrats see votes!! Who cares if they're illegal!

Gemini Cricket · 04-10-2006, 10:03 AM

Huge demonstration planned for Boston Common today. I'm thinking of leaving work early to miss all the hullabaloo.

scaeagles · 04-10-2006, 10:05 AM

Ah, Nephy....I gotta disagree with your partisan spin on that one. The majority of republican politicans see the same thing, and both parties are trying to figure out ways to appease this decent sized voting block while not alienating their base.

There are exceptions to this, of course. JD Hayworth of AZ, Tom Tancredo (sp?) of Colorado, some others that aren't as outspoken.

Nephythys · 04-10-2006, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Ah, Nephy....I gotta disagree with your partisan spin on that one. The majority of republican politicans see the same thing, and both parties are trying to figure out ways to appease this decent sized voting block while not alienating their base.

There are exceptions to this, of course. JD Hayworth of AZ, Tom Tancredo (sp?) of Colorado, some others that aren't as outspoken.

Let me clarify- I'm at work and posted that last bit quickly. I agree with you- but it WAS a Dem flyer in the post-

I said our GOV'T has failed- BOTH sides see votes, both sides see their actions as either good or bad towards keeping or gaining majority status.

The whole thing ticks me off- because the bottom line is that in order to win votes, they sell out LEGAL citizens by refusing to enforce our laws- and the illegals KNOW IT!

(On Edit- I am at a point of being really unhappy with Pols in general- though no one would be surprised that I dislike Dems more

Though it would not take much for the spineless Repubs to catch up with them

)

Alex · 04-10-2006, 10:21 AM

I'm not advocating this but I'm wondering what would happen to the various marches if INS (or whatever they're called now) let it be known that they'd have enforcement officers at these events since they had reason to believe that people illegally in the country would be present?

What authorities do they have to ask for ID and restrain? Back in college I had reason to commute every weekend between Bellingham, WA, and Seattle on Greyhound. Every Sunday night before the bus left Bellingham (which is about 30-40 miles south of the Canadian border) and INS agent would board and ask random people for ID. This was a bus that never left the country, just did this shuttle run.

Could INS show up and just start asking random people for some proof of legality?

Ghoulish Delight · 04-10-2006, 10:21 AM

Show us some evidence that that flyer was produced and endorsed by the Democratic party.

scaeagles · 04-10-2006, 10:22 AM

One thing I've heard in the news (and coverage of the rally in Phoenix this morning confirms it) is that the organizers are becoming a bit more politically savvy.

During the rallies held a couple weeks ago, there was an overwhelmingly pro-Mexico flavor. This was not received well in the general public. So this time, so far here in Phoenix, there is not a Mexican flag in sight. Stars and Stripes flying everywhere, pro-America t-shirts abound.

scaeagles · 04-10-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Could INS show up and just start asking random people for some proof of legality?

I doubt it. There is no requirement in this country that I have any identification on me while walking down the street. Walking down the street or participating in a rally (assuming you are nonviolent) does not give probable cause for a government agency to stop anyone.

Nephythys · 04-10-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Show us some evidence that that flyer was produced and endorsed by the Democratic party.

Um, no.

First off, I don't have "proof", secondly I find that request to show a naive view that is unlike you. Are you going to deny that the politicians see votes in all this? Shall we discuss that one of the people speaking at one of the rallies is not a member of the GOP but the King of Dems himself Ted Kennedy?

Are you really going to cast up a defense against this by demanding proof you know I can not provide and pretending that Dems, whether they be local or national are NOT going to be fishing for ways to make this good for them?

Come on- even I know that both sides are going to be seeing future voters here- and want to garner their favor.

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BarTopDancer Prepping... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Here, there, everywhere Posts: 11,405	So, I'm not sure if this was brought up here, or if it is the proper thread for it but... I've seen a few articles putting a slant on this that Mexico is invading the USofA. They cast the illegal aliens as the insurgents and Fox as the leader. And I'm not so sure I disagree with this view. Why are we giving people [from any country]* who are here illegally the same rights as those who are here legally? Why should they be allowed to vote? What about the huge drain that they put on our health care and social services system? I suppose it goes back to making sure every other country is taken care of while we have homeless and hungry families out on the street and thousands of others one paycheck away from being on the street. But why should we help them? Let's help all those who are here illegally first while citizens go hungry and homeless! Now before I'm painted as a cold hearted bitch who wants to see the economy fail as a result of no-one around to do the hard labor for pittance wages I'll say this... I'm all for work visas. And I'm for getting families and people who have been working hard and are not relying on our social services to support them established here legally. But all those who are draining our social services? Support yourself or get out. We have too many of our own citizens who need help and you're just draining it. which brings up another point. If illegal aliens are given the right to vote, will it just be illegal aliens from Mexico? Or those from Cuba, Korea, China, Vietnam and all the other countries people are here from as well. Same with Work Visas. Just those from Mexico or those from other countries. Would we be reacting this way if a bunch of kids from Korea took down the American flag and raised their flag? Replace anything Mexican with a different country. What would we be doing then? If all the Vietnamese people spoke up maybe we'd have to teach classes in Vietnamese and our bi-lingual labels would be English/Vietnamese and not English/Spanish. (Yes, I realize in areas this is the case, I'm just making a hypothetical situation). __________________ Spork is the new MacGyver* Postcards From My Edge
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Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	Not a word on this today? I'm surprised. Pictures worth a 1000 words....or more The gov't has failed....abysmally. But hey, the democrats see votes!! Who cares if they're illegal!
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Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	Huge demonstration planned for Boston Common today. I'm thinking of leaving work early to miss all the hullabaloo.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Ah, Nephy....I gotta disagree with your partisan spin on that one. The majority of republican politicans see the same thing, and both parties are trying to figure out ways to appease this decent sized voting block while not alienating their base. There are exceptions to this, of course. JD Hayworth of AZ, Tom Tancredo (sp?) of Colorado, some others that aren't as outspoken.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I'm not advocating this but I'm wondering what would happen to the various marches if INS (or whatever they're called now) let it be known that they'd have enforcement officers at these events since they had reason to believe that people illegally in the country would be present? What authorities do they have to ask for ID and restrain? Back in college I had reason to commute every weekend between Bellingham, WA, and Seattle on Greyhound. Every Sunday night before the bus left Bellingham (which is about 30-40 miles south of the Canadian border) and INS agent would board and ask random people for ID. This was a bus that never left the country, just did this shuttle run. Could INS show up and just start asking random people for some proof of legality?
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Show us some evidence that that flyer was produced and endorsed by the Democratic party. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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04-10-2006, 10:22 AM	#148
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	One thing I've heard in the news (and coverage of the rally in Phoenix this morning confirms it) is that the organizers are becoming a bit more politically savvy. During the rallies held a couple weeks ago, there was an overwhelmingly pro-Mexico flavor. This was not received well in the general public. So this time, so far here in Phoenix, there is not a Mexican flag in sight. Stars and Stripes flying everywhere, pro-America t-shirts abound.
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