The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 28

Not Afraid · 04-21-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Not according to those who subscribe to global warming.

http://news.com.com/Global+warming+t...3-5895784.html

What is this "subscribe" business? It's as if you can choose to plug your ears and say lalalalalala 5 times and it will disappear. It's not a choice or a subscription. It's only a choice to be ignorant or not.

(My little visit to Harvard really opened my eyes even further.)

innerSpaceman · 04-21-2006, 11:32 AM

Yes folks, a Haavard grad in 15 minutes!

Drive-thru degrees!!!

(and yes, I mean gas, not oil, in my doom & gloom prediction post. Sorry for the error in nasty pessimism.)

scaeagles · 04-21-2006, 11:38 AM

Now, now, NA.....I can post many a link from respected scientists that not only say global warming is stopping or slowing or not nearly as catostrophic as one might be led to believe by those who put forth such catastrophic forecasts, but that man can do nothing to stop it or make it happen.

No increase in temps since 1998

This guy here is just an atmospheric scientist at MIT:

Climate of fear

While this next report doesn't discount manmade greenhouse gases, it talks about the history of natural warming and cooling the planetary cycle:

Is Global warming nature's work?

The sun is not a constant, and the energy (and therefore heat) output varies greatly. There have been periods of massive global cooling and warming that predate the industrial revolution (and even the presence of man on the planet).

While the global temperature is a degree or so warmer than 100 years ago, I am not anywhere near believing that this is man caused, particularly looking at the fact that the average global temperature has not increased since 1998 (see the first link).

We can, of course, continue to trade links on the subject. My point is simply that the scientific school of thought is not all in one corner on this.

Not Afraid · 04-21-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Yes folks, a Haavard grad in 15 minutes!

Drive-thru degrees!!!

It was more like 10.

Man, you're in a mood today! Get better by tomorrow or I will have to sit on you.

I don't pretend to be a scientist - I'm far from it, but when I experience loads of really smart scientists saying the same thing, I tend to take their expert word on it. I guess It's too important of a phenonmenon to doubt. I mean, can something REALLY be bad about us being more conservation minded? Wouldn't it be smart just to do it?

scaeagles · 04-21-2006, 11:57 AM

Conservation is always smart. Panic is not.

There are also lots of really smart scientists who disagree with the whole global warming panic phenomenon.

Not Afraid · 04-21-2006, 12:01 PM

The sscientific community will keep discussing and disagreeing, but talk talk talking is great for them - they're supposed to do that. But, if we wait for them to come up with a difinitive conclusion we may be in too much trouble by then.

Of course, why do I care? I don't have kids and I will be dead by the time things progress to a point where it is too late for reversal. LALALALALALA

scaeagles · 04-21-2006, 12:05 PM

Hey uh, NA....the biggest doom and gloom speakers already say it is too late. Even the highly touted Kyoto protocal is not projected to do anything to stop what has been projected to happen (by those in that school of thought). Kyoto is projected to slow global warming by something like a tenth of a degree over the next 100 years.

Not Afraid · 04-21-2006, 12:07 PM

I know. It sucks. I see why people don't want to belive it.

scaeagles · 04-21-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid

I know. It sucks. I see why people don't want to belive it.

You're missing my point. It isn't that I don't want to believe it, it is that I think there is enough evidence that it is not man caused, but rather it is a natural cycle in plantary and stellar science that is causing the small increases we have seen.

€uroMeinke · 04-21-2006, 12:16 PM

From my 10 minute Harvard Degree, it seems clear that temps are rising (glacier melt and all that) Whether or not that's caused by man seems irrelevent. I wonder if there is anything we can do to mitigate it - that too might be beyond our control, but I think it foolish to not at least evaluate that possibility.

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yes folks, a Haavard grad in 15 minutes! Drive-thru degrees!!! (and yes, I mean gas, not oil, in my doom & gloom prediction post. Sorry for the error in nasty pessimism.)
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04-21-2006, 11:38 AM	#273
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Now, now, NA.....I can post many a link from respected scientists that not only say global warming is stopping or slowing or not nearly as catostrophic as one might be led to believe by those who put forth such catastrophic forecasts, but that man can do nothing to stop it or make it happen. No increase in temps since 1998 This guy here is just an atmospheric scientist at MIT: Climate of fear While this next report doesn't discount manmade greenhouse gases, it talks about the history of natural warming and cooling the planetary cycle: Is Global warming nature's work? The sun is not a constant, and the energy (and therefore heat) output varies greatly. There have been periods of massive global cooling and warming that predate the industrial revolution (and even the presence of man on the planet). While the global temperature is a degree or so warmer than 100 years ago, I am not anywhere near believing that this is man caused, particularly looking at the fact that the average global temperature has not increased since 1998 (see the first link). We can, of course, continue to trade links on the subject. My point is simply that the scientific school of thought is not all in one corner on this.
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04-21-2006, 11:57 AM	#275
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Conservation is always smart. Panic is not. There are also lots of really smart scientists who disagree with the whole global warming panic phenomenon.
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04-21-2006, 12:01 PM	#276
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	The sscientific community will keep discussing and disagreeing, but talk talk talking is great for them - they're supposed to do that. But, if we wait for them to come up with a difinitive conclusion we may be in too much trouble by then. Of course, why do I care? I don't have kids and I will be dead by the time things progress to a point where it is too late for reversal. LALALALALALA
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04-21-2006, 12:05 PM	#277
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Hey uh, NA....the biggest doom and gloom speakers already say it is too late. Even the highly touted Kyoto protocal is not projected to do anything to stop what has been projected to happen (by those in that school of thought). Kyoto is projected to slow global warming by something like a tenth of a degree over the next 100 years.
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04-21-2006, 12:07 PM	#278
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	I know. It sucks. I see why people don't want to belive it.
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04-21-2006, 12:16 PM	#280
€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	From my 10 minute Harvard Degree, it seems clear that temps are rising (glacier melt and all that) Whether or not that's caused by man seems irrelevent. I wonder if there is anything we can do to mitigate it - that too might be beyond our control, but I think it foolish to not at least evaluate that possibility. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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