The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

^Exactly. I still think the jury is out. This isn't a 2 plus 2 = 4 observation. There are many, many very well respected climate experts out there who are not on board yet.

Whereas others believe eventually has come and gone.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Whereas others believe eventually has come and gone.

So long as it's just "believe" and not "know"

[wendybeth]

Jeff, while I'm proud of you for finding one example of an advancing glacier, I don't suppose you could be troubled to explain the many receding ones. Or perhaps the ice fisherman in Greenland are just a bunch of big whiner babies, and the polar bears that are drowning just need to visit the local Y. (The rangers that came aboard during our cruise must be full of **** as well).

I really would like to borrow those rose-colored glasses of yours- I think you have a much more pleasant view of the world than I. (Future generations be damned, eh?)

Now, tell me how much better the people in Kiev and it's environs are these days and maybe I'll change my mind on nuclear energy as well.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Now, tell me how much better the people in Kiev and it's environs are these days and maybe I'll change my mind on nuclear energy as well.

You would honestly compare the nuclear technology employed at Chernobyl to current nuclear technology? Palo Verde here next to Phoenix was built in the late 1970s and is the largest nuke plant in the US. The tech there is old, and yet there hasn't been anything close to an incident. Modern nuclear tech is incredibly safe and building more plants is a necessity.

Not to be "snarky", but as someone who seems to be pretty sure on her scientific knowledge related to global warming, you are pretty uninformed about nuclear power and are making a pretty rash judgement.

I posted a link earlier in this thread about the intimidation many in the scientific community feel when they come out with evidence disputing the "common fact" of man caused (please note the "man caused") global warming. Not unlike Galileo and the whole round earth thing.

[wendybeth]

I'm not any more sure on my global warming info- just not willing to dismiss information or conclusions simply because a majority of scientists happen to believe it. As far as nuclear reactors, might I remind you where I live, dear? Washington state? Site of WPPs and Hanford? I may not be completely up to date as to technology now being employed in the field of nuclear energy, but I am cautious about it for a reason.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Jeff, while I'm proud of you for finding one example of an advancing glacier

Oh I could give you many examples of advancing glaciers; why I chose this particular one(other than the fact that it was called "Harvard") is that it is right next to a retreating one. Both share the same "enviroment"; both recieve the same amount of snow, rain, sleet and hail. If global warming was causing one to retreat then it would stand to reason.....

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I don't suppose you could be troubled to explain the many receding ones.

Many(especially the ones in Alaska) have long records of receding and then advancing sometimes changing directions as many as 4 times a century.

If they never receded the entire world would be covered in ice.

As for those Greenlandic fishermen; You're never going to get me to call these smart independent(they pulled themselves out of the European Union back in 85') hardy souls whiners. However there is plenty of precedence for what is happening now---

Climatic cooling compelled scientists to drill into the Greenland ice caps. The oxygen isotopes from the ice caps inferred that the Medieval Warm Period had caused a relatively milder climate in Greenland, which lasted roughly between 800 and 1200. However, in 1300 the climate began to gradually cool and eventually the last Ice Age reached intense levels in Greenland by 1420.----from Wikpedia

The colonies established in Greenland around 1000 thrived for hundreds years(same time as the MWP) but were completely and mysteriously lost by the 1400s(not long after the MWP was over)

[wendybeth]

I did a keyword search on global warming and came up with thousands of hits, of which only a handful fell into your line of thinking. (I suppose, using your 'majority' logic, that only serves to prove that all those scientists must be wrong). Time published an interesting article recently, which touches on many of the causes and effects of gw, and shows that the future is now: Be Very Worried. I realise you need to believe that the man and admin you voted for are right and everyone else in the world is wrong, but I'm afraid you're fighting a losing battle there.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

I did a keyword search on global warming and came up with thousands of hits, of which only a handful fell into your line of thinking.

Which just brings me back to the line of thinking 30 years ago: If the internet exsisted back then as it does now you would have had a very similar number of hits warning of "global cooling" and only a handfull saying otherwise.

The ones wearing rose colored glasses back then were right

btw: My President agrees with you on this....