The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

DreadPirateRoberts · 04-27-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

ooo I get it! Do you live in HB?

No, but I cruise by in my pirate ship all the time.

wendybeth · 04-27-2006, 08:49 PM

I think Bush missed an opportunity to turn things around for him by appointing Snow. He already has the conservatives (largely) in his corner- he really needs to reach out to all Americans, not just the conservatives, and he could have chosen a more moderate person to do so. Instead, it sent a message loud and clear: expect more of the same, and the divisions will only continue to grow. I mean, really- did he have to choose someone from Fox? Talk about pouring gas on the fire. Now all the other outlets are going to be pissy and Fox will be even more unsufferable than they already are.

sleepyjeff · 04-27-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

I think Bush missed an opportunity to turn things around for him by appointing Snow. He already has the conservatives (largely) in his corner- he really needs to reach out to all Americans, not just the conservatives, and he could have chosen a more moderate person to do so.

The reason his poll numbers are down so far is not because liberals all the sudden started disliking him.....it's because he was losing support from conservatives. Snow was an excellent choice. Try to hold on to those who are predisposed to like you rather than go after those who never will no matter what.

wendybeth · 04-27-2006, 10:41 PM

HIs support couldn't possibly be eroding due to people actually starting to think for themselves, could it? Do you really believe that everyone is leaving because he's not conservative enough?

And Scaeagles, I made an observation, that's all. He is under no obligation to try and reach out to people like me, but it might have been wise to try- you can bet there will be others who will in the coming elections. And I am under no obligation to watch Fox news- in fact, I don't. I read it on the net- I don't watch tv. I read many sources, and question all of them- not just Fox. I find it interesting that the same people who are so very vocal about the liberal bias in mainstream media have no probs when it's biased to their viewpoint- I disdain any discernable bias, but I know it's inevitable. I get equally cranky at CNN and MSNBC, but at least they don't look like the National Enquirer. (Usually).

sleepyjeff · 04-27-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

HIs support couldn't possibly be eroding due to people actually starting to think for themselves, could it? Do you really believe that everyone is leaving because he's not conservative enough?

Who was thinking for these people before?

Why are these people just now "starting to think for themselves"?

Were the people who supported him before and now don't non-conservatives?

-----------Yes, I really do believe that his support is/was eroding mainly due to his(Bush) lack of conservatism.

wendybeth · 04-27-2006, 11:50 PM

I seem to recall a few dems in the congress and senate who fell in line for the war.

I also know more than a few private citizens who voted for Bush who are very, very disappointed with him.

It's really too bad that it has become so 'us' against 'them'- last time I checked we were all Americans. I don't look for the divide to narrow anytime soon.

scaeagles · 04-28-2006, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

I also know more than a few private citizens who voted for Bush who are very, very disappointed with him.

Count me among them. But I have always thought for myself.

I don't care about poll numbers, but I agree with SleepyJeff.

Do I wish I had voted for Kerry instead? Not in a heartbeat. Instead of Bush disappointing me in 2.5 of my 4 (possibly 5) areas of major importance (one he isn't totally blowing it, but isn't doing great in), I'd be looking at a big zero.

Scrooge McSam · 04-28-2006, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Were the people who supported him before and now don't non-conservatives?

Possibly. It's become painfully obvious to me that most people pay no more attention to our politicians and leaders than what is spoon fed to them 30 minutes before they have dinner.

Gemini Cricket · 04-28-2006, 07:18 AM

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An antigay pogrom is taking place in Iraq. Gratuitous killings of gays are permitted under Iraqi law, and it is a fact that George W. Bush approved the wording of the Iraqi constitution that makes it so. Mainstream U.S. media are not reporting on the plight of Iraqi gays, nor are they discussing how to rescue them. This points out the urgent need for LGBT Americans to participate more in our democracy.

Source

Yeah, I think I'm going on a media diet again...

04-27-2006, 08:49 PM	#2
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I think Bush missed an opportunity to turn things around for him by appointing Snow. He already has the conservatives (largely) in his corner- he really needs to reach out to all Americans, not just the conservatives, and he could have chosen a more moderate person to do so. Instead, it sent a message loud and clear: expect more of the same, and the divisions will only continue to grow. I mean, really- did he have to choose someone from Fox? Talk about pouring gas on the fire. Now all the other outlets are going to be pissy and Fox will be even more unsufferable than they already are. __________________
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04-27-2006, 10:41 PM	#4
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	HIs support couldn't possibly be eroding due to people actually starting to think for themselves, could it? Do you really believe that everyone is leaving because he's not conservative enough? And Scaeagles, I made an observation, that's all. He is under no obligation to try and reach out to people like me, but it might have been wise to try- you can bet there will be others who will in the coming elections. And I am under no obligation to watch Fox news- in fact, I don't. I read it on the net- I don't watch tv. I read many sources, and question all of them- not just Fox. I find it interesting that the same people who are so very vocal about the liberal bias in mainstream media have no probs when it's biased to their viewpoint- I disdain any discernable bias, but I know it's inevitable. I get equally cranky at CNN and MSNBC, but at least they don't look like the National Enquirer. (Usually). __________________
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04-27-2006, 11:50 PM	#6
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I seem to recall a few dems in the congress and senate who fell in line for the war. I also know more than a few private citizens who voted for Bush who are very, very disappointed with him. It's really too bad that it has become so 'us' against 'them'- last time I checked we were all Americans. I don't look for the divide to narrow anytime soon. __________________
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