The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

BarTopDancer · 05-10-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

If the laws are unfair or skewed to a certain demographic

Isn't the complaint that the laws are unfair to the people who are here illegally?

wendybeth · 05-10-2006, 10:55 PM

If the laws are unfair, then convince the citizenry to change them- don't frikken try to blackmail them into it, because that will never work. Echoes of the Third Estate, and we all know what they did.

Alex · 05-10-2006, 11:22 PM

Irish isn't a race. Calling anti-Irish sentiment racism does a real disservice to actual racism. But since use of English words to mean specific things has been specifically precluded by iSm, I guess I haven't a leg to stand on.

The two populations of illegal immigrants I have had the most direct exposure to are Southeast Asians and the not insignifant illegal Irish population in San Francisco. I'm just as opposed to them as I am other illegal immigrants. And yet I have no problem with every member of the Hispanic, Irish, or Laotian "races" coming here legally. I'm guessing I support a more liberal legal immigration process than just about anybody that might post here. But it is good to know that since the majority of America's illegal immigrants are of the Hispanic "race" then such opposition is racist. I'm also opposed to illegal immigration in France where it is mostly Angolans and Turks. I'm opposed to it Germany where a significant portion is white Eastern Europeans. I'm opposed to it in South Korea where it is Malay, Thai, and Indonesian. I'm opposed to it when it is Canadians (and yes, there are lots of Canadians illegally in this country). I'm opposed to it when it is Americans in Canada (and yes, there are a fair amount of those as well). I'm opposed to it when it is Nicaraguans into Mexico and Haitians into the Dominican Republic. I'm just the most racisist person in the world.

To correlate crime with illegal immigration is a mostly baseless assumption (except insofar as certain crimes correlate well with the segment of the socioeconomic class in which most illegal immigrants find themselves) but it is not an inherently racist one.

SacTown Chronic · 05-11-2006, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Irish isn't a race.

Don't make me get drunk and kick your ass.

Alex · 05-11-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Don't make me get drunk and kick your ass.

You can kick my ass all the way to Dublin (wait, I'm already there), but Irish still won't be a race.

I think all points of entry should be firmly enforced but it sounds like some people here are saying that the firement shouldn't put out any of the fire unless they can simultaneously put out the entire fire.

Border control isn't even the only issue. Many illegal immigrants enter the country legally, they just stay in the country illegally. There are an estimated 60,000-75,000 Irish in the country Illegally (mostly in the New York City area, Chicago, and San Francisco) and most of them enter the country on valid tourist visas and just don't leave when they're supposed to.

I know it is racist, but I think they should be deported when found. I also think quotas on legal immigration should be removed so that anybody who can show self-support once they get here can come legally (regardless of their "race").

05-10-2006, 10:55 PM	#2
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05-10-2006, 11:22 PM	#3
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Irish isn't a race. Calling anti-Irish sentiment racism does a real disservice to actual racism. But since use of English words to mean specific things has been specifically precluded by iSm, I guess I haven't a leg to stand on. The two populations of illegal immigrants I have had the most direct exposure to are Southeast Asians and the not insignifant illegal Irish population in San Francisco. I'm just as opposed to them as I am other illegal immigrants. And yet I have no problem with every member of the Hispanic, Irish, or Laotian "races" coming here legally. I'm guessing I support a more liberal legal immigration process than just about anybody that might post here. But it is good to know that since the majority of America's illegal immigrants are of the Hispanic "race" then such opposition is racist. I'm also opposed to illegal immigration in France where it is mostly Angolans and Turks. I'm opposed to it Germany where a significant portion is white Eastern Europeans. I'm opposed to it in South Korea where it is Malay, Thai, and Indonesian. I'm opposed to it when it is Canadians (and yes, there are lots of Canadians illegally in this country). I'm opposed to it when it is Americans in Canada (and yes, there are a fair amount of those as well). I'm opposed to it when it is Nicaraguans into Mexico and Haitians into the Dominican Republic. I'm just the most racisist person in the world. To correlate crime with illegal immigration is a mostly baseless assumption (except insofar as certain crimes correlate well with the segment of the socioeconomic class in which most illegal immigrants find themselves) but it is not an inherently racist one.
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