The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Honestly, I don't think I can go on debating this subject. Whenever I do, I get so angry and frustrated. People are making monsters out of these people. What's next? Concentration camps? History has told us that the next step after de-humanizing a people is genocide.

I just can't understand the hate, veiled and blatant, that I see in society right now; hate directed towards illegal aliens, legal aliens, and Hispanics alike. These are human beings we're talking about!

Who here has ever said that illegals are monsters or that they can't sympathize with their plight. I fear you are reading far more into what people are saying than what they are actually saying.

What hate has been expressed towards anyone here? Seriously. Nor has there been one criticism of legal immigrants, regardless of which country they are from.

You are trying to stereotype anyone with immigrations concerns as a racist and a supporter of concentration camps and genocide. At that point, I can't take your arguments seriously and that saddens me.

[Alex]

Where is the hate towards legal aliens and hispanics in general?

You offer only two reasons people don't get your point. Either we're too simple-minded to get it or we're willfully ignoring it. Perhaps you just aren't very successful at making your points? You're seven uninvited guests example, for example, wasn't very good.

The correct analogy would be you planned a dinner for five invited guests. Two uninvited people showed up and insisted on eating with us. Yes, I'm going to blame those two uninvited people if there isn't enough food to go around. I'm also going to blame you for not insisting that they leave the table. That isn't hate. That also isn't racism.

I don't hate illegal immigrants. I also don't hold them responsible for all of societies ills. But that doesn't mean that they don't contribute in part or in entirety to some of societies ills. And even if they contributed not at all to any problems and lived quietly in quaint little enclaves where they made attractive shoes and invited me to all of their birthday parties, I would still be opposed to illegal immigration.

[BarTopDancer]

From Dictionary.com

Illegal
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.
n.
An illegal immigrant.

True - There is a large population of people in SoCal, AZ and TX who are here illegally from Mexico.
True - There is a large population of people in NY who are here illegally from S.E. Asian countries.

If being anti-illegal aliens makes someone racist against Mexicans then it also makes them racist against Asians.

But my original question was never answered: Are all the Mexicans who are against illegal immigration from Mexico racist? So now Mexicans are racist against Mexicans?

[Prudence]

I curious what the alternative would be. If deportation is the wrong policy, what is the right policy? No immigration limits at all? No immigration limits for people from countries where the average income is less than here? A policy that says you should apply through official channels but if you can get here without that you can stay? Something I haven't thought of?

[Nephythys]

Not enough mojo to go around.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by Prudence

I curious what the alternative would be. If deportation is the wrong policy, what is the right policy?

I keep reading "If decapitation is the....".

[Prudence]

Don't make me start referencing snowcone concessions in this thread, too!

[€uroMeinke]

You know every year tre population in California grows from people moving here from other states - why do we let this happen unchecked? I bet many of the homeless were born in other places, they just came here to get out of the cold. Maybe we should deport people back to the dust bowl?

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

You know every year tre population in California grows from people moving here from other states - why do we let this happen unchecked? I bet many of the homeless were born in other places, they just came here to get out of the cold. Maybe we should deport people back to the dust bowl?

Conversly, imagine the dent we could possibly make in helping the homeless, who are our citizens, if the illegal immigration process did not strain every social service we have.

Now granted, I'm not saying that if we didn't have an illegal immigration problem, we wouldn't have a homeless problem, but it seems logical that we could improve their situation.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by Prudence

If I have 7 uninvited guests it doesn't matter how many of them I like. They all have to get out because I'm not running a *&!!$^# restaurant.

You must spread some Mojo around before giving it to Prudence again.