NY Times and intelligence leaks

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

Claiming the war on terror has been compromised is not claiming that the country has been brought down which is what you said.

Hello... Call that what you will. My point is still the same.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

Hello... Call that what you will. My point is still the same.

Ok, then we're back to your original comment. The point of which seems to be:

It is awfully silly to claim that this leak will bring America down since that would mean America is awfully fragile.

Since nobody has made that claim, your post, while accurate, has no bearing on anything being discussed.

However, if that point is not the point you were making (and remains the same) could you please clear it up because I see no alternate reading for it.

Other, of course, than the intentional use of hyperbole to enflame your point, making it seem more obvious than it really is. But since that is what you are so upset about other people doing, that can't possibly be it.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

It is awfully silly to claim that this leak will bring America down since that would mean America is awfully fragile.

That is exactly my point, which you have yet to address. What I am saying is that people like Bush and Cheney are blaming the press for leaking information that Bush himself, days after 9/11, said he was going to do. They are also saying that this is bad for America. If everything dissenting voice is bad for America, then are they saying this country is fragile? Too vulnerable for this sort of exposure? It's the same claim the GOP used against anyone who is critical of the war in Iraq. 'Don't say that, it's bad for the morale of the troops.' Again, are they saying that the troops are too fragile to weather such criticism.

I think you understand my post(s), Alex. But often when I come up with a point you suddenly attack the way it is written instead of addressing the point that I have no doubt you understand (not agree with, but understand). I refuse to believe that after 5 years of posting in threads with you that you are so confused and unclear by what I mean when I talk about this Administration.

[Alex]

I didn't attack the way it was written. If your point is that people are claiming this leak will bring America down then your point is irrelevant since nobody has said that. When question you changed it to claiming that people were saying it would compromrise the war on terrorism. This is much more valid, but when questioned again you changed it back.

Therefore, since I assume you don't intend to be irrelevant that you haven't quite said what you meant. But I stand corrected.

Apparently you equate someone saying that something is bad with saying it is maximally destructive. I do think I understand your posts about the administration. You are so irrationally vitriolic that it doesn't matter to you if your claims and statements about the administratin make any sense so long as they fulfill your belief that they are essentially pure evil and deception. That this view then enables you to do exactly that which you claim to hate so much in them (manipulation and ignoring of facts to serve predetermined ends) and bristle at any suggestion that you provide support for the claims you make. Your discussion on issues related to the president generally boil down to "I don't care about facts! He's a doo doo head!"

In this thread you have simultaneously said that the leak is no big deal because it is common knowledge and practice. You have also said it is a huge deal that should get Bush imeached. And then you criticized people for saying that this leak could bring down America, which nobody has said and is the point I took issue with. It is very easy to "win" a debate when you get to make up what the other side says.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I didn't attack the way it was written...

And you still don't answer my question. Your post is ridiculous.

My opinion of this Administration is not going to change. The way I say things isn't going to change either. Either get used to it or get over it.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

My opinion of this Administration is not going to change. The way I say things isn't going to change either. Either get used to it or get over it.

What question have you asked? I'll happily ask any one you'd like answered that I can.