Get It Off Your (Dead Man's) Chest: Pirates Movie Reviews - Page 4

innerSpaceman · 07-08-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I didn't get that from the compass at all. In fact, it obviously didn't point to Jack when Elizabeth used it since it led them where they were trying to go.

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I just think you missed something you'll pick up on the second time. Heheh, I might have, too - - and this is the worst movie that I've ever wanted to see a second time. But as I recall, after the compass - in Elizabeth's hands - gave them the course heading, she tried it again - - and it pointed directly to Jack. She noticed, and was alarmed.

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I agree on Orlando Bloom (and said as much in my review) but that was true of the first movie and Kingdom of Heaven

Yes, I did see the Director's Cut of that film, and it's worth a viewing - - though not for any improvement in Bloom's performance. The film again fails because he simply does not have the moxie to carry a picture alone, and his under-emoting, constantly and quietly depressed character didn't help matters. But there's an interesting sub-plot (notably one which doesn't feature Orlando at all) and other fleshing-out that make it a far superior film to the version released in theaters.

Still, I'm sorry I purchased it instead of Netflixed it. And I rather doubt I'll be owning any but the original Pirates movie either. My heart sinks when I consider what they've done to Walt's masterpiece attraction for the likes of this substandard sequel.

As for your other question about the structure of the first movie that I found agreeable, perhaps after a wash-the-foul-taste-from-my-eyes viewing that I feel coming on very soon, I'll be able to respond with more specificity and clarity.

innerSpaceman · 07-08-2006, 05:03 PM

And I'm right there with C.P. about Jack Sparrow being an unbelievable, yellow-bellied, turncoat slug in this movie ... never able for a moment to be a successful pirate with the attitude and cajones he failed to display in Part II.

In fact, I believe Jack Sparrow is the worst pirate I've ever seen.

BarTopDancer · 07-08-2006, 05:04 PM

This may or may not make anyone feel better, but the 2nd Jurassic Park movie totally sucked too. But the 3rd one rocked.

innerSpaceman · 07-08-2006, 05:32 PM

Eh, Matrix Reloaded really sucked, and the third one made it look like Citizen Frelling Kane.

scaeagles · 07-08-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

My justification for him dying was that the curse has a time lag. i.e., when a cursed pirate's non-moonlit flesh gets injured, it needs a bit of time to heal. So he gets shot, there's a hole in him, THEN the coins are returned, breaking the curse, bullet hole remaining. That's why he suddenly started to bleed.

I'd agree with that. Earlier in the first there is a point in time where Elizabeth uses the wheel of the ship to break the neck of an undead pirate. Takes him a few seconds to pop it back. If his neck was broken and then the curse is immediately lifted, he has no time to fix it.

BarTopDancer · 07-08-2006, 07:34 PM

My former co-worker (the one we saw while waiting) saw it and loved it.

He's not a geek. Disney geek that is.

Alex · 07-08-2006, 07:58 PM

Ok, saw it a second time this afternoon. I'm just going to assume that spoilers are ok.

First of all, the first time I saw it was at a press only screening where each press person could bring one guest. There was applause at the end but it wasn't a normal audience. Unfortunately, this time I still can't judge audience reaction. In the middle of the final kraken encounter the theater fire alarm went off, everybody was forced to stand out in the heat (it was about 100 degrees here today) for about 40 minutes before getting to watch the final 8 minutes of the movie. About half the audience drifted off when the guy said we'd be standing outside for 30+ minutes and the rest watched the final still sweating and with any mood completely broken.

I was wrong about the compass. Indeed it does point to Jack twice while Elizabeth is using it. I don't really read it, though, as a romantic interest so much as a primal lusting for what she thinks Jack Sparrow is (getting to do whatever he wants and yet still fundamentally a decent person, despite his protestations). More that what she most wants is Jack Sparrow's life, not so much to jump his bones. But I guess we'll have to see how it goes in the next movie.

I now don't have any problem with how Will ended up at the island. I had misremembered the sequence of events with the Flying Dutchman. It goes all the way to the island without submerging, sits there for a bit while Jones takes in the situation and then goes under. Presumably Will stayed in his hiding spot and then began swimming to the island when the ship arrived but before it submerged.

It is correct that Jack doesn't want the heart killed since then nobody would be able to control the kraken and he needs Jones to call it off first.

I missed it the first time but Barbossa was at Tia Dalma's place the first time we visit (with Jack and Will, not at the end of the movie). After the monkey is released it runs into the other room and sits on the end of a bed upon which you can see Barbossa's booted feet.

The pendant that Jack steals from Tia Dalma's table is identical to the one on Davy Jones's organ. The one that gets triggered during the key theft, turns out to be a music box, and sooths Davy Jones back to sleep. It was never mentioned as in Jack's possession again so I can see it playing a role in the next movie. Also, I believe these pendants were the same shape as part of the design on the chest. So, if relevant, it would appear that Tia Dalma was in possession of something belonging to Davy Jones, or perhaps the woman he loved (maybe they had matching music box pendants).

Overall, I still enjoyed it. The general commentary seems to be that the characters and jokes were worse this time around. I'll have to watch the first one again but to my memory they are pretty much of the same quality and also same tone. So could it be it isn't so much that they are worse it is just difficult for similar material to be funny the second time around? If somehow the movies had been reversed in release order Curse of the Black Pearl would get much of the criticism directed now at Dead Man's Chest?

While waiting for the movie to start I read the current issue of Entertainment Weekly which contained a strongly negative review of the movie by Lisa Schwartzbaum. She admitted up front that she hated the first one as well, so it isn't a surprise to me at all that her dislike would be even worse this time around.

Moonliner · 07-08-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

it would appear that Tia Dalma was in possession of something belonging to Davy Jones, or perhaps the woman he loved (maybe they had matching music box pendants).

Would it not seem logical that she IS the woman he loved?

I don't have much to add tonight. I plan to pull out the original, watch it and have a cleansing ritual. Perhaps I'll feel more like commenting tomorrow...

Alex · 07-08-2006, 08:22 PM

That's the possibility I was trying to imply without saying explicitly.

Moonliner · 07-08-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

That's the possibility I was trying to imply without saying explicitly.

Oh, I see.

Right then. If you are trying to avoid possible spoilers for the third movie then DON'T read the two messages that precede this one.

Hopefully this will be like Indiana Jones and Back to the future. In both those cases the 2nd move was trash and the first and third gold.

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07-08-2006, 07:34 PM	#36
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07-08-2006, 07:58 PM	#37
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Ok, saw it a second time this afternoon. I'm just going to assume that spoilers are ok. First of all, the first time I saw it was at a press only screening where each press person could bring one guest. There was applause at the end but it wasn't a normal audience. Unfortunately, this time I still can't judge audience reaction. In the middle of the final kraken encounter the theater fire alarm went off, everybody was forced to stand out in the heat (it was about 100 degrees here today) for about 40 minutes before getting to watch the final 8 minutes of the movie. About half the audience drifted off when the guy said we'd be standing outside for 30+ minutes and the rest watched the final still sweating and with any mood completely broken. I was wrong about the compass. Indeed it does point to Jack twice while Elizabeth is using it. I don't really read it, though, as a romantic interest so much as a primal lusting for what she thinks Jack Sparrow is (getting to do whatever he wants and yet still fundamentally a decent person, despite his protestations). More that what she most wants is Jack Sparrow's life, not so much to jump his bones. But I guess we'll have to see how it goes in the next movie. I now don't have any problem with how Will ended up at the island. I had misremembered the sequence of events with the Flying Dutchman. It goes all the way to the island without submerging, sits there for a bit while Jones takes in the situation and then goes under. Presumably Will stayed in his hiding spot and then began swimming to the island when the ship arrived but before it submerged. It is correct that Jack doesn't want the heart killed since then nobody would be able to control the kraken and he needs Jones to call it off first. I missed it the first time but Barbossa was at Tia Dalma's place the first time we visit (with Jack and Will, not at the end of the movie). After the monkey is released it runs into the other room and sits on the end of a bed upon which you can see Barbossa's booted feet. The pendant that Jack steals from Tia Dalma's table is identical to the one on Davy Jones's organ. The one that gets triggered during the key theft, turns out to be a music box, and sooths Davy Jones back to sleep. It was never mentioned as in Jack's possession again so I can see it playing a role in the next movie. Also, I believe these pendants were the same shape as part of the design on the chest. So, if relevant, it would appear that Tia Dalma was in possession of something belonging to Davy Jones, or perhaps the woman he loved (maybe they had matching music box pendants). Overall, I still enjoyed it. The general commentary seems to be that the characters and jokes were worse this time around. I'll have to watch the first one again but to my memory they are pretty much of the same quality and also same tone. So could it be it isn't so much that they are worse it is just difficult for similar material to be funny the second time around? If somehow the movies had been reversed in release order Curse of the Black Pearl would get much of the criticism directed now at Dead Man's Chest? While waiting for the movie to start I read the current issue of Entertainment Weekly which contained a strongly negative review of the movie by Lisa Schwartzbaum. She admitted up front that she hated the first one as well, so it isn't a surprise to me at all that her dislike would be even worse this time around.
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07-08-2006, 08:22 PM	#39
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	That's the possibility I was trying to imply without saying explicitly.
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