The Dixie Chicks

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I can.

So, you hate Neil Young, Bruce Springstein, Green Day and all those other war protest singers, too?

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Look at who their primary audience is.

Okay, to use a scaeagles argument, if they lambasted Clinton, they'd be just fine. So, it's not about disrespecting the president or a state or being unpatriotic, it's disrespecting a right wing president and his right wing state... So one could say that the Dixie Chicks aren't anti-American, they're anti-right wing.

They aren't the only artists to speak out against Bush, though. So are these people just upset because some of their own are rebelling?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

So, you hate Neil Young, Bruce Springstein, Green Day and all those other war protest singers, too?

Okay, to use a scaeagles argument, if they lambasted Clinton, they'd be just fine. So, it's not about disrespecting the president or a state or being unpatriotic, it's disrespecting a right wing president and his right wing state... So one could say that the Dixie Chicks aren't anti-American, they're anti-right wing.

They aren't the only artists to speak out against Bush, though. So are these people just upset because some of their own are rebelling?

Hate? No. Choose to purchase their product? No. Same with Babs Streisand, Dave Matthews, Madonna, and countless others.

And actually, I do agree with that, GC, regarding lambasting Clinton - to an extent.

I have no desire, and I would suspect most people are this way, for my entertainment choices to lecture me on politics. They have their political viewpoints, which is fine. I just have no desire to go to a concert, where I want to hear music, and listen to a political speech or editorializing. However, the typical audience of a country music concert would rather hear a slam on a democrat than a slam on a republican.

Entertainers seem to think that because they are entertainers, their opinions on politics or social issues should hold more weight. I've never understood why. Their self importance is laughable, really. Not that their opinions always are, but that they think their opinions matter so much because they are a gifted musician.

So in response to Alex saying he doesn't understand why a political viewpoint would influence my entertainment choice, it is because it is my way, small as it is, to let them know with my discretionary dollars that I don't appreciate what they believe. There are countless Hollywood stars who I have no idea what their politics are because they make the choice to keep them quiet. They may take the money I spend on hem and contribute it to Hamas, for all I know. But ignorance is bliss in my little world of choosing where to spend my discretionary dollars.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Entertainers seem to think that because they are entertainers, their opinions on politics or social issues should hold more weight. I've never understood why. Their self importance is laughable, really. Not that their opinions always are, but that they think their opinions matter so much because they are a gifted musician.

Not Afraid already touched on this but, the fact is that they are artists, and a part of art is social commentary on the world they live in. It has always been this way and I hope it always will. It's not that it holds any more weight than anyone else, it's that it is, by definition, part of what artists do. I think the "self-important" part is merely a label put on them by people who disagree with their opinion.

Nobody is forcing you to agree with them, just like I don't have to agree with a country song about the glory of shoving a boot up Saddam's ass. But I don't sit around saying that Tobey Keith is "self important". Rather, I just disagree with his opinion. I appreciate that he is allowed to exercise his creative freedom. And not once have I ever heard people say that he should be boycotted or that he is unamerican. I hear that about the Dixie Chicks all the time.

And what I love most about the Dixie Chicks is that I heard over and over from the likes of Sean Hannity that their career was ruined over this and that they were traitors. Clearly, the majority of people feel differently, as is reflected by their album sales. It shows that maybe it isn't the liberals who are out of touch with reality.

[wendybeth]

Apparently country music stars are only supposed to sing about trucks, the flag and tequila making your clothes fall off.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

tequila making your clothes fall off.

I love that song! I also love The Angry American by Toby Keith and I still like Reba (and Toby) and Gretchen Wilson. All people who "hate" the Dixie Chicks.

I guess I'm going to hell now. That's ok. Thinking for myself is worth it.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

Not Afraid already touched on this but, the fact is that they are artists, and a part of art is social commentary on the world they live in. It has always been this way and I hope it always will. It's not that it holds any more weight than anyone else, it's that it is, by definition, part of what artists do. I think the "self-important" part is merely a label put on them by people who disagree with their opinion.

And if that means I don't like an artists commentary, I can shout it as loudly as I want. I don't find criticism of that art to be anymore a problem than the artist expressing themselves.

And self important? Of course they are, whether I agree with their opinion or not. I find a difference in using their art to express it rather than their art leading to other platforms for expressing their political opinion. But the self importance doesn't come so much from expressing it in their art as it does from expecting what they say to be held in high esteem because they think their art makes them more an authority.

No one has said anyone shouldn't have creative freedom to do it. But why expect to be shielded from complaints and perhaps financial conquences from boycotts should what they say or do be deemed offensive by their fan base?

[wendybeth]

Maybe the style of responses that makes it different, Scaeagles. I don't go around calling Toby Keith a murderer and traitor, and I don't wish to harm his career. It just seems like (generally speaking) the conservative response is rather harsher than warranted.

[katiesue]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Maybe the style of responses that makes it different, Scaeagles. I don't go around calling Toby Keith a murderer and traitor, and I don't wish to harm his career. It just seems like (generally speaking) the conservative response is rather harsher than warranted.

Well put.

[Alex]

There is definitely a difference between saying "I disagree with your view so I won't give you any money" and "you shouldn't talk about politics at a concert."

The former is something I wouldn't do but I suppose has some defense. The latter will just quickly reveal the speaker as a hypocrite as they've simply ignored it all the times politics was brought up at a concert but they agreed with it.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

And self important? Of course they are, whether I agree with their opinion or not. I find a difference in using their art to express it rather than their art leading to other platforms for expressing their political opinion. But the self importance doesn't come so much from expressing it in their art as it does from expecting what they say to be held in high esteem because they think their art makes them more an authority.

But I've never heard any artist proclaim that they are the end all authority on anything or that they expect to be taken more seriously than a non-artist. They are just expressing their views.

When you post, I don't think "Oh, Leo thinks he is a self -appointed authority on everything. Man, he sure is full of himself". I am able to recognize the fact that you are expressing your opinion. I see no need to attach all the other preconceptions. So, why is it, when someone is an artist, they are only expected to express their opinions in their songs and nowhere else?

I think these labels only surface when one disagrees with the opinion of the person they are labeling. If you were to hear an artist say, "I support the war and this president in all that they do", would you honestly consider them to be a self-important, grandstanding, self appointed authority?

And as far as them sticking to their particular medium, why should their opinions be stifled in another platform, whether it be talking to a crowd or doing an interview? Why are they somehow out of bounds? Chances are, if they wrote a song about how they feel about the war, they are going to have the same opinion in other forums. Should you only express your political views in the area of computer programming but not on a message board? Does that make you self-important?

In my opinion, no it does not.