Israel, Lebanon, and Gaza

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

But if they had wished to live in peace with us we woudln't have had to conquer them to begin with.

Correct. However, we cannot make anyone live at peace with us who doesn't want to except by conquering them. They didn't want to. So we had to go to war to have the effect of peace. Therefore, peace through war isn't only possible, it's proven.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Correct. However, we cannot make anyone live at peace with us who doesn't want to except by conquering them. They didn't want to. So we had to go to war to have the effect of peace. Therefore, peace through war isn't only possible, it's proven.

I wasn't suggesting that anyone make anyone live in peace. And I think that living in peace is impossible for the human race. But if people could just get along and respect other people and their points of view there would be no war.

Imagine - John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Fighting for peace is like fvcking for virginity

Above is what I was originally was responding to. Of course peaceful people want to live in peace. Sometimes you just have to fight for it with those who don't want it.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Sometimes you just have to fight for it with those who don't want it.

Yes, that's been working quite well in Iraq.

[scaeagles]

Hmmm....I don't think I said every war results in immediate peace. I said it is sometimes necessary to fight to achieve peace and has happened throughout history.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Hmmm....I don't think I said every war results in immediate peace. I said it is sometimes necessary to fight to achieve peace and has happened throughout history.

And I'm just saying that sometimes war doesn't acheive peace. Sometimes, it just makes things dreadfully worse.

[scaeagles]

I never said it did. All I did was respond to the "fighting for peace is like fvcknig for virginity" comment. It isn't as ridiculous as that. Sometimes is has to happen that way.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

What scaeagles said!

Yes, war sucks and should be avoided when ever and where ever possible. But believe it or not, there are some genuinely evil and/or insane people out there. No quantity of drum circle beating, sage burning, pot-smoking, and folk song singing will get them to listen to pleas for non-violence. Deal with it or be destroyed.

[DreadPirateRoberts]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

What scaeagles said!

Yes, war sucks and should be avoided when ever and where ever possible. But believe it or not, there are some genuinely evil and/or insane people out there. No quantity of drum circle beating, sage burning, pot-smoking, and folk song singing will get them to listen to pleas for non-violence. Deal with it or be destroyed.

This reminds me of Morrigoon's signature:

"It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge

[SacTown Chronic]

I'm especially jealous of the peace bestowed upon war's collateral damage. Oh sweet dirt nap, where have you been all my life?

Originally Posted by SczcerbiakManiac

Yes, war sucks and should be avoided when ever and where ever possible.

That's a great suggestion. The United States should try it.