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scaeagles · 07-20-2006, 01:11 PM

I agree, SM.

SacTown Chronic · 07-20-2006, 02:27 PM

Most cases? War isn't horseshoes. Oh, but there are hand grenades...hmmmm.

I'd argue that the two major American wars fought in my lifetime were not unavoidable.

But I'll gladly acknowledge that there have been wars avoided by American diplomacy, detente, and a senile man's willingness to kill us all. So, yeah, "most cases" is accurate but it's the wrong damn answer for me.

scaeagles · 07-20-2006, 02:35 PM

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a senile man's willingness to kill us all.

I see that just a bit differently. I'd describe it as having a leader willing to stand up to imperialistic bullies, leading the end of one of the most oppressive states (well technically a group of states) to ever curse the face of the planet.

I take it you are referring to Vietnam and Iraq. How about other campaigns such as Gulf War I and Afghanistan?

SacTown Chronic · 07-20-2006, 02:39 PM

Lol...I threw that in just to poke you with my troll stick. I know all about your man-crush on Mr. Reagan. I only half believe what I wrote.

Not Afraid · 07-20-2006, 03:37 PM

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Lol...I threw that in just to poke you with my troll stick. I know all about your man-crush on Mr. Reagan. I only half believe what I wrote.

Man crust on Regan leads directly to the carrying of a man bag, don't you know?

SacTown Chronic · 07-20-2006, 03:39 PM

Man crust? lol

scaeagles · 07-20-2006, 05:55 PM

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Man crust on Regan leads directly to the carrying of a man bag, don't you know?

While I did have a chance to see Reagan speak in person, I promise I left no man crust on him.

SacTown Chronic · 07-20-2006, 06:09 PM

No man crust on Reagan's man bag?

SzczerbiakManiac · 07-21-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

While I did have a chance to see Reagan speak in person, I promise I left no man crust on him.

So you licked it all off?

Alex · 07-20-2006, 02:43 PM

I assumed he was referring to Gulf I and Gulf II/Afganistan.

I don't know if it is playing nationally on NPR or just locally but there was an interesting conference on Vietnam recently and they've been excerpts. Jack Valenti in one presentation made an interesting point about how on his own JFK might very well have avoided Vietnam and LBJ probably would have as well. But since LBJ inherited JFK's Vietnam policies it was seen as politically impossible to change them. Not particularly relevant but not something I had considered before.

More on topic, I guess it depends on what you define as unavoidable. Is going to war to aid in the defense of an ally avoidable? Obviously, you can avoid the war by turning your back on them, but is that the right thing to do? Sometimes? Always? Never?

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SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Lol...I threw that in just to poke you with my troll stick. I know all about your man-crush on Mr. Reagan. I only half believe what I wrote.
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I assumed he was referring to Gulf I and Gulf II/Afganistan. I don't know if it is playing nationally on NPR or just locally but there was an interesting conference on Vietnam recently and they've been excerpts. Jack Valenti in one presentation made an interesting point about how on his own JFK might very well have avoided Vietnam and LBJ probably would have as well. But since LBJ inherited JFK's Vietnam policies it was seen as politically impossible to change them. Not particularly relevant but not something I had considered before. More on topic, I guess it depends on what you define as unavoidable. Is going to war to aid in the defense of an ally avoidable? Obviously, you can avoid the war by turning your back on them, but is that the right thing to do? Sometimes? Always? Never?
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