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wendybeth · 02-08-2005, 11:12 AM

Are you seriously suggesting that if the people in Iraq vote for a theocracy, they will not get it? Do you mean to say that we won't let them? Even if it is the 'will of the people'? The Iranian government may be unstable, but they are still very much in control of the country.

The budget is brilliantly laughable. More and more people, including the conservative pundits, are questioning aspects such as the decrease in funding for HS. Compassionate Conservatism, which has always been an oxymoron, is now a comic catchphrase. The Neocons are hanging themselves, and they are too arrogant to even realise it.

scaeagles · 02-08-2005, 12:07 PM

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Are you seriously suggesting that if the people in Iraq vote for a theocracy, they will not get it?

Not at all. I am saying they won't vote for it. Like I posted earlier, polls in Iraq have shown that the Iraqi people overwhelmingly favor a government like the UAE, which is the most "western" of any government in the region.

wendybeth · 02-08-2005, 12:18 PM

So, that would be why they appear to have elected the Shiite group with ties to Iran? Iraq Vote

scaeagles · 02-08-2005, 12:32 PM

Yes, they did receive the majority of the votes. Please note, however, that many Sunni areas boycotted the vote. Now, before shouting about how that shows the democracy will not work, I point out these two paragraphs from your link.

"In a bid to avoid marginalization, a group of Sunni Arab parties that refused to participate in the election said Saturday they want to take part in the drafting of a permanent constitution — a chief task of the new National Assembly.
The representatives of these political bodies that did not participate in the elections have decided in principle to take part in the writing of the permanent constitution in a suitable way," a statement from the group said. "

What this demonstrates is that the Sunnis realized that boycotting the election was about the WORST thing they could have done, and are now scrambling to become involved in the process of drafting the constitution. They know that being involved in the democracy is the best way to protect their interests.

So, while not a great prediction, prior to a Shiite majority proclaiming their version of Islamic law for Iraq in the constitution, there wold be a civil war. Neither of these will happen, however. These groups will have to learn to work together because of the ratification process.

These reports and predictions of doom are no different than the other predictions that said there was no way we'd meet any of the deadlines we had set for an interim government or an election.

For being less than 2 years after the initial invasion, I'd say things are going remarkably well. Violence still? Most certainly. There will continue to be so. This does nt mean that the process does not continue.

SacTown Chronic · 02-08-2005, 01:00 PM

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For being less than 2 years after the initial invasion, I'd say things are going remarkably well.

What did I miss...have we found WMD?

wendybeth · 02-08-2005, 01:15 PM

I'm just enjoying the fact that Scaeagles admits we invaded another country....

scaeagles · 02-08-2005, 02:14 PM

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I'm just enjoying the fact that Scaeagles admits we invaded another country....

And I have ever denied this? Of course we invaded Iraq!

02-08-2005, 11:12 AM	#1
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	Are you seriously suggesting that if the people in Iraq vote for a theocracy, they will not get it? Do you mean to say that we won't let them? Even if it is the 'will of the people'? The Iranian government may be unstable, but they are still very much in control of the country. The budget is brilliantly laughable. More and more people, including the conservative pundits, are questioning aspects such as the decrease in funding for HS. Compassionate Conservatism, which has always been an oxymoron, is now a comic catchphrase. The Neocons are hanging themselves, and they are too arrogant to even realise it. __________________
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wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	So, that would be why they appear to have elected the Shiite group with ties to Iran? Iraq Vote __________________
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02-08-2005, 12:32 PM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Yes, they did receive the majority of the votes. Please note, however, that many Sunni areas boycotted the vote. Now, before shouting about how that shows the democracy will not work, I point out these two paragraphs from your link. "In a bid to avoid marginalization, a group of Sunni Arab parties that refused to participate in the election said Saturday they want to take part in the drafting of a permanent constitution — a chief task of the new National Assembly. The representatives of these political bodies that did not participate in the elections have decided in principle to take part in the writing of the permanent constitution in a suitable way," a statement from the group said. " What this demonstrates is that the Sunnis realized that boycotting the election was about the WORST thing they could have done, and are now scrambling to become involved in the process of drafting the constitution. They know that being involved in the democracy is the best way to protect their interests. So, while not a great prediction, prior to a Shiite majority proclaiming their version of Islamic law for Iraq in the constitution, there wold be a civil war. Neither of these will happen, however. These groups will have to learn to work together because of the ratification process. These reports and predictions of doom are no different than the other predictions that said there was no way we'd meet any of the deadlines we had set for an interim government or an election. For being less than 2 years after the initial invasion, I'd say things are going remarkably well. Violence still? Most certainly. There will continue to be so. This does nt mean that the process does not continue.
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