Major Terrorist Threat in UK-US discovered

Motorboat Cruiser · 08-10-2006, 12:54 PM

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It is also in-fighting that was there long before we did anything-

All the more reason why the idea of spreading democracy in Iraq was an impossibility from the start. These people never had any intention of living together peacefully. Why on earth did we think we could change that?

scaeagles · 08-10-2006, 01:04 PM

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All the more reason why the idea of spreading democracy in Iraq was an impossibility from the start.

I kind of thought the idea was to oust Saddam.

A large majority of Iraq (speaking in terms of geography, not populace...I have no idea how much of the populace lives in the peaceful areas) is now peaceful and functioning. Baghdad certainly not.

Motorboat Cruiser · 08-10-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

I kind of thought the idea was to oust Saddam.

That isn't how it was sold. And besides, at what expense? Is it better to have a theocracy that still hates America just as much, and a new breeding ground for terrorists, in place of a dictator that kept Iraq from descending into Civil War?

scaeagles · 08-10-2006, 01:15 PM

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That isn't how it was sold.

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It is completely how it was sold. To get rid of a madman with WMD.

Motorboat Cruiser · 08-10-2006, 02:24 PM

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It is completely how it was sold. To get rid of a madman with WMD.

You are half-correct. WMD's and bringing democracy to Iraq is how it was sold. In other words, it was sold with a fear of terrorism from the evil conniving Saddam and as a way to establish the first real democracy in the middle east, thereby halting the spread of terrorism. Those are the reasons that I remember.

Unfortunately, 6 years later, we still have found no WMD's and we still haven't brought democracy to Iraq. Meanwhile, terrorism, the thing that made all of this worth it, is on the rise. Plots are still being hatched against the US. The borders aren't secure. Hell, a hurricane caught us with our pants down around our ankles as far as disaster management. Oh, and the guy that masterminded that attack on 9/11 that changed everything? We still haven't a clue where he is.

And the problem is, that the minute we started this gun ho war against terrorism, all we have to show for it is more terrorists, a country on the verge of a civil war, and continued terrorist plots against us. There are plenty of things that we can do to reduce incidents of terrorism without giving up our civil liberties and our hair products. As long as we are engaged in a losing battle with Iraq though, I don't see it happening any time soon.

NirvanaMan · 08-10-2006, 05:02 PM

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As long as we are engaged in a losing battle with Iraq though, I don't see it happening any time soon.

Not that I want to get into a huge debate, but this is simply too broad a statement to make without qualifiers. Is that the picture the media is painting? Abso-fukin-lutely. Do we trust the mass-media? Uhh, we shouldn't. Their accounts of the story, with death toll scoreboard that light up more than broadway on gay-night, are hardly objective honest views of the reality. I like to temper it with accounts from actual soldiers living and breathing life over there, as well as accounts from actual Iraqi's.

I'm not saying we are "winning" or "loosing"...not sure it would even be possible to define either. I think its just difficult to say either way. Especially from way over here. In DL....with WiFi. And A/C. MMM A/C. And great tacos....and delicious boobies. God I love SoCal. All the fast beautiful cars...and women....wait...what was I talking about?

Ah yes....tacos and boobies. Yumm...

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2006, 08:14 PM

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I like to temper it with accounts from actual soldiers living and breathing life over there, as well as accounts from actual Iraqi's.

You know what I'm seeing more and more often? Bush or Rumsfeld paint some rosey picture of what's going on in Iraq, and then a couple days later, a general on the ground there sweating under the collar and choosing their words very carefully so they don't actually say, "Ummm, yyyeah, our commander in chief is full of crap." You're right, it is nice to temper the administrations bs with the reality from those that are actually there making the decissions.

BarTopDancer · 08-10-2006, 08:25 PM

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I like to temper it with accounts from actual soldiers living and breathing life over there, as well as accounts from actual Iraqi's.

Ya, me too. Totally different picture that is painted for you then the one you see in the media or in a public forum. And different in this case does not mean better.

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