Al Gore:How Green Is He?

[Scrooge McSam]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Public Alex mojo.

Oh yeah, he likes it that way, doesn't he?

Well spoken, Alex!

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I'm not justifying hypocrisy by saying we are all hypocrites. I'm saying it is not hypocrisy when someone fails to live up to your standards of how they should live.

I apologize for not being more clear on what I meant. You have not done that in this case, but others have (or at least that's what I think I read).

I didn't say Gore should live up to my standards. Not in the least. I clearly stated that I begrudge no one their wealth or private jets or large homes or whatever their extravagances may be.

However, again taking the example of Jimmy Swaggart, I don't believe he had ever said he was a perfect individual prior to his "fall". (As an aside, I am no Swaggart fan, it's just a good example.) However, didn't he lose his most of, if not all of, his credibility in speaking in terms of what is moral?

Sac, I cannot hypothesize as to if seeing Reagan in person vs. seeing him on TV would have inspired me any differently. I was inspired by him whenever I saw him speak. If you are passionate, that passion comes through a TV or a radio or a phone.

Gore can do whatever the he wants. He can preach his sermons, and I will fully admit that he has no credibility with me whether he preaches it or not or drives an Excursion. I just think it's humorous, really.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

However, again taking the example of Jimmy Swaggart, I don't believe he had ever said he was a perfect individual prior to his "fall". (As an aside, I am no Swaggart fan, it's just a good example.) However, didn't he lose his most of, if not all of, his credibility in speaking in terms of what is moral?

Again, this comparison makes no sense. It only makes sense if Al Gore is willfully failing to live up to a standard he claims to live to. So far, there is no evidence offered that this is the case.

Just evidence that he isn't living up to the standards that others have decided he claims to live up to but he has not.

You find this "humorous." Similarly I could find it humorous that you don't live up to Levitical law since you claim the Bible as the source of your morality. It doesn't matter that you make no claim that Levitical law is the ruling law of the modern Christian since Mosaic law was overturned by Jesus and the New Testament. All that matters is what I claim you should believe and act on based on my interpreation of what you actually believe.

Does me calling you a hypocrite because of this actually make you a hypocrite and therefore your hypocrisy is humorous?

You say you aren't judging him based on your terms but you are. Or else there would be nothing to find humorous here.

[scaeagles]

Whatever. Sorry to offend you by finding it humorous that he tells me my SUV will be the death of humanity but flies half way across the world to give a speech. I can't make you see the irony I see, you can't make me think I'm judging him. Is calling the situation ironic judging him? Is saying that I find it to be hypocritical that he takes those flights while criticizing someone for what they choose to drive judging him? I guess it is a value judgement, but I have never seen making a value judgement on an action the same as judging a person. I don't question his fervor, only his methods.

[Prudence]

Do his appearances coincide with fund-raising efforts? I have no idea, but if they do, I would imagine that personal appearances are necessary. More people show up for "appearing live" than "teleconference".

[Alex]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Sorry to offend you by finding it humorous that he tells me my SUV will be the death of humanity but flies half way across the world to give a speech. I can't make you see the irony I see, you can't make me think I'm judging him. Is calling the situation ironic judging him?

You can't make me see that irony because the first half of the ironic situation is not true. He makes no such claim. Or, at least, not without the nuance you won't see in his message.

SUVs are a problem because they put carbon into the air without any effort to remove an equal amount of carbon. Gore emits carbon on all of his travel and endeavors to remove equal amounts of atmospheric carbon. Driving SUVs is not the problem. Doing nothing to ameliorate the carbon emissions of SUVs is the problem.

So yes, you are finding it humorous simply because you believe him to have said something he has not said. Therefore you are judging him on your terms. Not his.

You don't offend me. The unwillingness to engage him on what he actually says rather than caricatures of what he says simply baffles me. Bafflement is not offense.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

You can't make me see that irony because the first half of the ironic situation is not true. He makes no such claim.

Actually, in his book Earth in the Balance, he says that the internal combustion engine poses a greater threat to the future of mankind than nuclear weapons.

I have expanded upon that to say that he is saying that my SUV will be the death of humanity. I am saying what I am saying in sarcasm.....of course he did not literally say the SUV is going to be the death of humanity.

And I apologize for the crankiness in my earlier post. I'm cranky this week. Of course there was no offense taken on your part.

[innerSpaceman]

Until scaeagles puts away the sad, green face .... how 'bout we all tread a little lightly around him?



After all, his neocon world is crumbing .... and then there's, well, the new job stress. It's a whole new universe for Leo. Let's take it easy on him, huh? Just till he gets his bearing again.

[Scrooge McSam]

from yahoo.news:

The op-ed attacking former vice president Al Gore's environmental record was extremely misleading.


Former vice president Gore has worked to implement the recommendations from his movie and book, An Inconvenient Truth, and that includes his personal commitment to live a zero-carbon lifestyle.

He reduces the global-warming pollution for which he is responsible and then, each year, finances additional reductions elsewhere until his net impact on the global climate is reduced to zero.

He has long since switched to a hybrid car and was already in the process of adding solar photovoltaic units to his home before the commentary was published.

In addition, the Gores have donated 100% of all the profits from his movie and book to the fight against global-warming pollution.

The assertion by author Peter Schweizer that the Gores were swimming in Occidental stock is also off base. At Mr. Gore's request, all of his father's stock in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum was sold almost six years ago as the estate was closed. So, although Mr. Gore has and will continue to call on his fellow Americans to do their part to combat global warming, he isn't asking of them what he isn't willing to do himself.

Rather than vilifying a person who is trying to make a difference, wouldn't it be more fruitful for Schweizer to join the effort to solve the climate crisis?

Kalee Kreider, communications director

Office of Al Gore and Tipper Gore

Nashville

[Not Afraid]

Rather than vilifying a person who is trying to make a difference, wouldn't it be more fruitful for Schweizer to join the effort to solve the climate crisis?

BINGO!