10 years later....

[Prudence]

Er, stage makeup isn't tarty. Garish and unsightly up close, but not tarty. Have dance classes changed since I was 18? We danced to Sing, Sing, Sing and In the Mood and Deep in the Heart of Texas and, so help me, the Mickey Mouse Club roll call and talent rodeo songs. Actually, most of our songs didn't have lyrics. And we were too concerned about flashing our fancy footwork to be all trampified. Is this all forms of dance now or just the sort of pop/hip-hop stuff?

Oh the memory lane is in full force now. We even danced to the Bugaboo song off the Mousercise LP! How random is that? Zomg now that will be stuck in my head all day!

[SacTown Chronic]

Tarted up daughter notwithstanding, my heart breaks just as much for Patsy Ramsey as it would for June Cleaver if the Beaver was sexually assaulted and murdered by that little prick, Eddie Haskell.


Yesterday I thought that news of this arrest (and possible posthumous exoneration) coming after her death was just another cruel blow to a woman whose suffering goes far beyond my comprehension. Now I realize it's a blessing. Maybe this guy's the killer, maybe not. Either way, tongues are wagging again. She didn't need this and I'm grateful she's not around to see it.

[SzczerbiakManiac]

Originally Posted by Nephythys

No-

..but that was not my point.

I only brought it up because two different people mentioned it.

[SacTown Chronic]

And yeah, SM, I'm a freak for a ponytail or hair pulled up under a ballcap.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac

Obviously, I'm not an expert on what is considered to be "sexy" on a females, but I have never heard of a ponytail being considered a sexy/sexual hairstyle. Am I missing something here?

No, I think what we (or at least I) was saying is, that no, a ponytail and stage makeup isn't anywhere near what pageant girls wear.

Pru- You were a tapper right? I haven't seen very much tap that includes things from my list above. Mostly Jazz. You were also in a small town though weren't you? Maybe that makes a difference?

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Totally agree. The issue with the 3 year old mentioned earlier wasn't that a 3 yeard old was wearing makeup. It was that a parent doesn't understand that they have the rigth, and the responsiblity, to say "no" to their child.

I'm confused about this. Did the three year old want to wear makeup in the same way that a 12 or 13 year old wants to wear makeup? That's an odd desire for a child that age. Or did she want to play with makeup/dress up? That would be totally normal and something I would have no problem with a child doing in the house.

[Prudence]

Originally Posted by tracilicious

Pru- You were a tapper right? I haven't seen very much tap that includes things from my list above. Mostly Jazz. You were also in a small town though weren't you? Maybe that makes a difference?

Well, it started out small, but wasn't any longer by the time I graduated. They had to move to larger digs at one point. The studio I went do had jazz, too, but it was different. And yeah, I was a tapper. tappetytaptap.

[tracilicious]

Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Tarted up daughter notwithstanding, my heart breaks just as much for Patsy Ramsey as it would for June Cleaver if the Beaver was sexually assaulted and murdered by that little prick, Eddie Haskell.

Sorry to serial post, but I had to agree with this. I don't think that she is to blame for her child's death at all. I may disagree with her parenting decisions, but to imply that she was at fault for putting her daughter on display would be the same as saying it's a rape victim's fault for wearing a short skirt.

[Babette]

That Oprah was scary. The point of the show was that these mothers have self-esteem issues and are transferring them to their daughters. There was also an anorexic mom who couldn't understand why her 4-year-old was obsessed with her weight. She would work out and only eat fruits and vegetables so she didn't get fat - a 4-year-old! The mom, who portions out exactly one cup of food for herself at each meal to ensure she doesn't overeat, would play a fat or skinny game in the car with the child. Hmmmm...I wonder why she is worried about her weight at age FOUR!

Originally Posted by mousepod

I have to admit, my first thought was: "This guy is facing time in a Thai prison. He will do or say anything to be extradited to the US."

Closure would be good. Truth would be better.

That's my vote. I saw a report today and he is saying too much, too easily. Also, they said she had no drugs in her system but that is one of his claims. Too weird - I think it is phony. He may have killed some other girl. I still think her mom was involved.

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

C'mon GC; be realistic. I think 35 is a safe age for girls to start wearing makeup.

That's about the age I stopped wearing it.

Originally Posted by Nephythys

My daughter has been tarted up for dance recitals.

I would assume that is an occasional special event, not a lifestyle. I am OK with that.

[wendybeth]

It's interesting how conservative some of us libs are with regards to letting our kids dress innappropriately.

Tori has worn make-up for her dance recitals and for play; the only make-up she can wear outside the house is lip gloss. She's fine with that. Jon Benet was tarted up to an appalling degree. She had her hair lightened, nails done, make-up caked on and very innappropriate clothing during her 'competitions'. Poor kid- I wonder if she ever thought her natural look was pretty enough? I don't doubt she was very loved, but her parents mixed her up in a very questionable industry.

I remember when we were visiting DL and we had all met at To Jo's- afterwards, we were walking back to the Park and suddenly Darkbeer starting walking sideways and was very obviously shielding Tori's vision from the line of prostitots winding their way out of Libby Lu in parade formation. It was very sweet, and very much appreciated as the Girl was way into glitter back then and I doubt she could have stood being deprived of the LL experience.