The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux) - Page 133

Scrooge McSam · 10-05-2006, 04:59 PM

Damn... you're right!

three more pages come forward, one from the 1998 page class

These rotten dems have been setting this up for 8 years!

Bastards!

Alex · 10-05-2006, 05:11 PM

Considering that some of them aren't even clear on what the internet is, I'm going to take it as a sign of enlightenment that Foley was using AIM or ICQ easly as 1998.

Motorboat Cruiser · 10-06-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

It's as if the dems thought they could throw this out there- the media ran with it- and they seemed to think the entire leadership on the other side would just say "oh gee, we quit" and roll out of town.

It's laughable.

So, which democrat was it that "threw this out there"? And the media ran with it so quickly that the Miami Herald and St Petersburg Times (?) sat on the story for a year?

No matter how you slice it, this particular man engaged in inappropriate conversations with minors. Foley did that. Not the democrats. To blame them for the current problems is ridiculous. Are the democrats saints? Of course not. Are they just as bad? Probably. But, even if there is any merit to this being an October surprise, and I have yet to see any piece of evidence that is convincing, so what? Nothing wrong at all with the republicans getting a taste of the same medicine that Karl Rove has made a career out of dishing out.

scaeagles · 10-06-2006, 05:32 AM

Here's my disconnect with what you're saying, MBC.

Foley deserves to be gone. He may deserve to be prosecuted.

If republicans were hiding this to protect a seat, the leadership deserves to be gone.

If dems were sitting on it to use at a poilitically opportune time, their leadership is just as guilty of a coverup as are the republican leadership.

October surprises are October surprises. The drunk driving thing was an October surprise, and there was no problem sitting on that to use. The Geaorge Bush senior flying to Iran to tell them to wait to release hostages was an October surprise (though somewhat stupid if you ask me). Politics. But this needed to rise above politics on both sides. I am assuming, of course, that these were minors. If they weren't, what I'm sayong about the leadership on both sides and using this as an October surprise changes.

Gemini Cricket · 10-06-2006, 05:53 AM

All they have to do is hire ugly pages and interns. Then there'd be no problems.

scaeagles · 10-06-2006, 06:37 AM

Your theory is disproven with the whole Bill and Monica thing.

That was really mean of me.

Gemini Cricket · 10-06-2006, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

That was really mean of me.

lol!

Nephythys · 10-06-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorboat Cruiser

So, which democrat was it that "threw this out there"? And the media ran with it so quickly that the Miami Herald and St Petersburg Times (?) sat on the story for a year?

No matter how you slice it, this particular man engaged in inappropriate conversations with minors. Foley did that. Not the democrats. To blame them for the current problems is ridiculous. Are the democrats saints? Of course not. Are they just as bad? Probably. But, even if there is any merit to this being an October surprise, and I have yet to see any piece of evidence that is convincing, so what? Nothing wrong at all with the republicans getting a taste of the same medicine that Karl Rove has made a career out of dishing out.

I am not blaming them for Foley's behavior. I am blaming them for blatant hypocrisy. I am blaming them for their obvious double standards. I am blaming them for their over reaching attempts to take out more people than just Foley. I am blaming them for being who they are- and frankly I am not going to pretend to respect any of them.

No matter how you slice it? The guy they made a huge deal of- with the nasty IM's- was over 18. I don't know other ages. So no, I don't know that slice.

innerSpaceman · 10-06-2006, 08:14 AM

As I've said before, I'm not much for the arbitrary age-line of 18, but I suppose it has to be somewhere.

But the link Neph has to the Drudge Report's take on the former page's age says, and I quote ...

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Originally Posted by Drudge

A network source explains, messages with the young man and disgraced former Congressman Foley took place before and after the 18th birthday.

So, um, I don't see how Foley squirms out of it. Perhaps that really bad incident of I.M sex during a house vote was post-18 (so sinfully remincent of the under-desk BJs of one former PotUS) ... but there were plenty more emails and IMs and other pages. And a reputation for years. And warnings given by Foley's chief of staff to Hastert's chief of staff over 2 years ago, and warnings from other Congressmen directly to Hastert over a year ago.

What's your problem Neph? Are you purposefully wearing blinders?

oh. yeah.

sometimes i forget.

JWBear · 10-06-2006, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys

I am not blaming them for Foley's behavior. I am blaming them for blatant hypocrisy. I am blaming them for their obvious double standards... I am blaming them for being who they are- and frankly I am not going to pretend to respect any of them....

Interesting... That's exactly how I feel about the Rebublicans in Congress!

10-05-2006, 04:59 PM	#1321
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10-05-2006, 05:11 PM	#1322
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Considering that some of them aren't even clear on what the internet is, I'm going to take it as a sign of enlightenment that Foley was using AIM or ICQ easly as 1998.
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10-06-2006, 05:32 AM	#1324
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Here's my disconnect with what you're saying, MBC. Foley deserves to be gone. He may deserve to be prosecuted. If republicans were hiding this to protect a seat, the leadership deserves to be gone. If dems were sitting on it to use at a poilitically opportune time, their leadership is just as guilty of a coverup as are the republican leadership. October surprises are October surprises. The drunk driving thing was an October surprise, and there was no problem sitting on that to use. The Geaorge Bush senior flying to Iran to tell them to wait to release hostages was an October surprise (though somewhat stupid if you ask me). Politics. But this needed to rise above politics on both sides. I am assuming, of course, that these were minors. If they weren't, what I'm sayong about the leadership on both sides and using this as an October surprise changes.
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10-06-2006, 05:53 AM	#1325
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	All they have to do is hire ugly pages and interns. Then there'd be no problems.
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10-06-2006, 06:37 AM	#1326
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Your theory is disproven with the whole Bill and Monica thing. That was really mean of me.
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