The "Inception" Thread - Page 10

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-10-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

But fanwanking is a sign of how well something is liked.

Agreed. I'm only bringing this stuff up because I really liked it. It's fun to discuss and I'm sure I missed or forgot quite a few things.

As I said to GD on the way back to the car, if I were a teen I'd see it again in a week, and possibly a third time after that.

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Originally Posted by Alex

The brain problems I believe were tied to the fact that you'd be there a very long time in isolation, the space would possibly be unconstructed nothingness (total sensory deprivation) or whatever you made of it, and worse you quite possibly wouldn't even know that you were in limbo.

It makes sense then that Mal and Cobb, having each other, could have survived it.

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(though why that level had dreaming equipment would be a mystery, unless she made it up out of whole cloth).

Yes, which is fine. They had to make Fischer's dad reconciliation moment on the fly as they figured him out.

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That leaves just Ariadne that had an easy time of it. It could be argued that this was a combination of having intentionally sent herself to Limbo and having Cobb there from the very beginning explaining where they were.

Reasonable enough.

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

When the credits roll we were all treated to another, "This was a stupid movie."

He stood and announced this loudly, as if he could either convince the rest of us or at least solicit pity for his wasted time. Too funny. Reminds me of my dad's fav Israeli cultural points of comparison from the 70's....Star Wars and Superman were flops there, but Rocky was a runaway hit. They don't care much for dream worlds, but a hard-working man is the ultimate.

Ghoulish Delight · 08-10-2010, 05:08 PM

innerSpaceman · 08-10-2010, 05:23 PM

Yeah, sorry, but if I didn't really feel the whole movie was a dream, I'd have to HATE it for that point alone.

It's so unbelievably stupid, it ranks with some of the plot holes in Star Trek (a film I also like against all, well, can't say "logic" when talking about Star Trek)

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-10-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Yeah, sorry, but if I didn't really feel the whole movie was a dream, I'd have to HATE it for that point alone.

I totally disagree. It's a movie.

(Which, come to think of it, is just about the same thing as saying "it's a dream".)

Alex · 08-11-2010, 05:51 AM

I don't see why that is considered a stupid plot point.

We don't know who has custody of his children. It seems obvious it isn't Michael Caine since he lives and works in France while the kids still live in America. So if whoever has the kids doesn't want them taken to France, that would be kidnapping.

And if DiCaprio wanted his kids mixed up in his life on the lam he could have just taken them with him to begin with.

innerSpaceman · 08-11-2010, 07:43 AM

He waltzes in there pretty easily at the end. If there was a custody issue, I think the film portrayed it precisely opposite.

I agree with CP that movies are like dreams. The stories aren't (unless adapting from life) "real" and so I usually forgive some logic lapses for the sake of story.

In this case, however, as I've said before, it's the main character's entire motivation. I expect it to have less of a gaping, wounded hole. In fact, it's such an obvious and distracting hole, the film should have explained if there was some custody or other issue preventing the children from traveling. Half a line of dialogue. No excuse.

In most movies, I'd have to just grit my teeth. In this one, I can use dream logic and all is fine.

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-11-2010, 07:47 AM

When he talked to the kids on the phone, Grandma didn't want to talk to him. It may not be much, but I think it's an indication that she does not like him, either because she actually thinks he's a murderer or just disapproves of his current lifestyle (the way Michael Caine does).

If that's the case, then getting into the U.S. doesn't help him much, since Grandma would still not want him to see the kids.

MouseWife · 08-11-2010, 08:17 AM

True points about the kids. I think, what we weren't privey to see is that the guy he made the deal with, that was all a part of it. He would do what he asked and he would be cleared of all charges and be able to return to the US/his kids.

I love this conversation! I only wish I could remember names better.

CP~ Yeah, if I were a teen {whose money could be blown on seeing movies over and over} I would see it again. Since I'm not, I'll have to wait for the blu-ray.

I did feel that it started slowly, but, they were laying the foundation for the movie. AND I am glad they did. Kind of hard to jump right into a movie full on and be able to grasp it fully. Kind of like a roller coaster ride. They {usually} don't just throw you right into turns and drops.

And no, seriously, GD is the one who said the movie sucked?????

Ghoulish Delight · 08-11-2010, 08:21 AM

Huh? When did I say the movie sucked?

MouseWife · 08-11-2010, 08:34 AM

I was asking if you had. I thought you loved it. I just read CP's post 'and he got up and said it sucked' and I wondered it if were you.

I didn't think so.

Who was it?

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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, sorry, but if I didn't really feel the whole movie was a dream, I'd have to HATE it for that point alone. It's so unbelievably stupid, it ranks with some of the plot holes in Star Trek (a film I also like against all, well, can't say "logic" when talking about Star Trek)
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08-11-2010, 05:51 AM	#95
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I don't see why that is considered a stupid plot point. We don't know who has custody of his children. It seems obvious it isn't Michael Caine since he lives and works in France while the kids still live in America. So if whoever has the kids doesn't want them taken to France, that would be kidnapping. And if DiCaprio wanted his kids mixed up in his life on the lam he could have just taken them with him to begin with.
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08-11-2010, 07:43 AM	#96
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	He waltzes in there pretty easily at the end. If there was a custody issue, I think the film portrayed it precisely opposite. I agree with CP that movies are like dreams. The stories aren't (unless adapting from life) "real" and so I usually forgive some logic lapses for the sake of story. In this case, however, as I've said before, it's the main character's entire motivation. I expect it to have less of a gaping, wounded hole. In fact, it's such an obvious and distracting hole, the film should have explained if there was some custody or other issue preventing the children from traveling. Half a line of dialogue. No excuse. In most movies, I'd have to just grit my teeth. In this one, I can use dream logic and all is fine.
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08-11-2010, 07:47 AM	#97
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	When he talked to the kids on the phone, Grandma didn't want to talk to him. It may not be much, but I think it's an indication that she does not like him, either because she actually thinks he's a murderer or just disapproves of his current lifestyle (the way Michael Caine does). If that's the case, then getting into the U.S. doesn't help him much, since Grandma would still not want him to see the kids. __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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08-11-2010, 08:17 AM	#98
MouseWife Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Da' Beach Posts: 2,957	True points about the kids. I think, what we weren't privey to see is that the guy he made the deal with, that was all a part of it. He would do what he asked and he would be cleared of all charges and be able to return to the US/his kids. I love this conversation! I only wish I could remember names better. CP~ Yeah, if I were a teen {whose money could be blown on seeing movies over and over} I would see it again. Since I'm not, I'll have to wait for the blu-ray. I did feel that it started slowly, but, they were laying the foundation for the movie. AND I am glad they did. Kind of hard to jump right into a movie full on and be able to grasp it fully. Kind of like a roller coaster ride. They {usually} don't just throw you right into turns and drops. And no, seriously, GD is the one who said the movie sucked????? __________________ Summa' time....when the livins' easy.........
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Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Huh? When did I say the movie sucked? __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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08-11-2010, 08:34 AM	#100
MouseWife Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Da' Beach Posts: 2,957	I was asking if you had. I thought you loved it. I just read CP's post 'and he got up and said it sucked' and I wondered it if were you. I didn't think so. Who was it? __________________ Summa' time....when the livins' easy.........
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