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scaeagles · 07-01-2008, 06:03 AM

I misread your earlier post and was equating your Average Joe with your Lunatic Joe. What can I say? It was 4:30 in the morning.

innerSpaceman · 07-01-2008, 07:28 AM

I hate to go all George Bush ... but I'm beginning to feel you're either with us or you're against us, and I've got no patience for Average Joe if his don't give a sh!t attitude leads to Status-Quo Is OK By Me at the voting booth in November.*

I'm afraid I'll have to trust that Average Cal is a little more enlightened than Average Joe, but I'm nervous about that.

* Actually, the current status-quo is Gay Marriage Is Legal ... but I don't think that's the status-quo that Average Joe is used to yet.

Kevy Baby · 07-02-2008, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I hate to go all George Bush ... but I'm beginning to feel you're either with us or you're against us, and I've got no patience for Average Joe if his don't give a sh!t attitude leads to Status-Quo Is OK By Me at the voting booth in November.

Not to say this is my decision (because I have not made one yet), but what if I agree with you on this one issue (that Gay Marriage should not be illegal) yet chose a candidate that opposed it? This is a possibility when weighing ALL the issues and deciding which candidate agrees with more of my concerns (making the assumption that I will not agree with all positions of any one candidate).

Am I "with you" or "against you?" *

* And I am not picking a personal fight, just using the verbiage.

innerSpaceman · 07-02-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

Not to say this is my decision (because I have not made one yet), but what if I agree with you on this one issue (that Gay Marriage should not be illegal) yet chose a candidate that opposed it?
Am I "with you" or "against you?" *

It's not a matter of which candidate you choose, Kevy. No candidate is deciding this issue. YOU are. Every Californian is. That's why you must make a choice to be with me* or against me, because you will be casting your vote on this question. You, and not your elected representative.

* "me" meaning every gay man, woman, and child and every human and American standing for truth, freedom, justice, life, liberty and happiness. Are you with "me," or against me??

Kevy Baby · 07-02-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

It's not a matter of which candidate you choose, Kevy. No candidate is deciding this issue. YOU are. Every Californian is. That's why you must make a choice to be with me* or against me, because you will be casting your vote on this question. You, and not your elected representative.

Since the conversation was drifting in the direction of individual candidates views on particular issues, I was extending the conversation in that direction.

scaeagles touched on the gist of my query: single issue voters. I have seen people vote for a given candidate simply because of a single issue (besides abortion) despite the fact that they don't like the candidate's views on many other issues.

BarTopDancer · 07-01-2008, 02:26 PM

Obama opposes the marriage ban amendment!

Gemini Cricket · 07-01-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer

Obama opposes the marriage ban amendment!

And conversely, McCain Endorses the marriage ban amendment.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 07-01-2008, 02:49 PM

I think every person in the USA should list 10 issues they have with the universe from Women's rights to Gay Marriage to trash on Thursdays to the exicution of the cast of THat's So Raven - anything. Compile the list and the top 10 is what we go with. Then everyone should shut the hell up and move on...

scaeagles · 07-02-2008, 06:48 AM

This is a common issue in the anti abortion crowd. If there is a candidate that is with then on every issue but not in agreement with them in every aspect of abortion, that candidate becomes someone they cannot vote for.

Everyone has their thing, and as someone in the anti abortion crowd who does not make it the overriding issue in who I vote for, i can tell you on that front there are certainly people who would say I am against them.

Not trying to speak for ISM, but I think in general there are those who make issue A the most important thing and if you don't agree with them on this you are indeed against them.

Cadaverous Pallor · 07-02-2008, 07:38 AM

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Everyone has their thing, and as someone in the anti abortion crowd who does not make it the overriding issue in who I vote for, i can tell you on that front there are certainly people who would say I am against them.

For anti-abortionists, it's about killing babies, so it's not surprising this would be a make-or-break. Same goes for certain civil rights issues for some people.

I keep asking myself what Obama would have to come out as pro/con in order to actually stop me from voting for him. It would take a lot...

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07-02-2008, 06:48 AM	#9
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	This is a common issue in the anti abortion crowd. If there is a candidate that is with then on every issue but not in agreement with them in every aspect of abortion, that candidate becomes someone they cannot vote for. Everyone has their thing, and as someone in the anti abortion crowd who does not make it the overriding issue in who I vote for, i can tell you on that front there are certainly people who would say I am against them. Not trying to speak for ISM, but I think in general there are those who make issue A the most important thing and if you don't agree with them on this you are indeed against them.
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