HCR Passes

[JWBear]

Teabagger heads start exploding in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1...

[scaeagles]

I feel like puking.

[flippyshark]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I feel like puking.

Truly, sca, I doubt things will be much different at all. This is really very moderate reform, and many aspects of it were once upon a time supported by conservative leaders. Though I personally think it's mostly just a modest step in the right direction (and I realize you don't at all), time will tell. Meanwhile, I hope you have a health plan that includes Maalox for your upset tummy.

[BarTopDancer]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I feel like puking.

If you're going to spew, spew into this




Seriously though, this plan includes so many things that the Republicans wanted back before Obama was even a candidate. I think you should take a step back from your talking heads and really, really look at what actually passed instead of the expected outrage/puking reaction.

Stephen Colbert discusses the marketing of fear.

Maybe if the "Conservatives" who are so outraged watched something other than their conservative fear mongers they would see a whole marketing campaign was behind this outrage.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I feel like puking.

(begin snarkyness - you've been warned)

Maybe you should see your doctor about that... because you have health insurance and wow, wouldn't it be great if we all could see a doctor when we were sick? Oh that's right, the thought makes you sick to your stomache.

(/snark)

[Moonliner]

So what's in the "Fix it" bill? If it fails where does that leave us?

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Betty

(begin snarkyness - you've been warned)

Maybe you should see your doctor about that... because you have health insurance and wow, wouldn't it be great if we all could see a doctor when we were sick? Oh that's right, the thought makes you sick to your stomache.

(/snark)

I'll snark right back at you, but will refrain from using the names that pop into my head.

I am sick of the implications that people against this bill don't care. Perhaps - just maybe, if your tunnel vision can allow you to see past the typical mantra - you could imagine that there are those out there - a vast majority of people opposed to this bill - don't think it's the best way to go about it.

But I suppose that may not be fair to say. When most members of congress haven't read it, I suppose I can't truly object to the provisions. Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

Don't care about the warning in the least, Betty. Does warning someone that you're going to be an idiot make it OK to be an idiot?

Out of snark mode and back to people who apparently do want to have intelligent discussion about this. Which has been pretty much everyone in this thread up to Betty's post.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

*Ding!* Student Loan?

Did you say student loan? Oh oh. I'd not heard that was included.

I better go have a Google for that. Moonie Jr. is college bound in ~18-Months and Headliner is not far behind.

[JWBear]

While I admit that I have not read all 2700 pages, I have read several summaries. Have you read any, Leo? If so, then what - specifically - do you object to? If not, then perhaps you should, and then get back to us.

Vague objections concerning "Loss of freedom" and "government takeover" don't hold water when you actually know what is in the bill.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'll snark right back at you, but will refrain from using the names that pop into my head.

I am sick of the implications that people against this bill don't care. Perhaps - just maybe, if your tunnel vision can allow you to see past the typical mantra - you could imagine that there are those out there - a vast majority of people opposed to this bill - don't think it's the best way to go about it.

But I suppose that may not be fair to say. When most members of congress haven't read it, I suppose I can't truly object to the provisions. Oh, wait....i do nkow there are provisions about the student loan program. Yeah, that's vital to health care.

Don't care about the warning in the least, Betty. Does warning someone that you're going to be an idiot make it OK to be an idiot?

Out of snark mode and back to people who apparently do want to have intelligent discussion about this. Which has been pretty much everyone in this thread up to Betty's post.

And here I was feeling bad that I was the 3rd person to make the same joke - but whatever if you want to single me out.

Perhaps you, in your own "tunnel vision", can't see the urgency that others do. You have all the time in the world to wait for reform when you have health insurance...

While we think about things like not sending the kids to their friends house with a trampolene because if they fall and get hurt, we are beyond screwed to pay the bill for that. When my teenage daughter is cooking and we fret because she's using the "big" knife and if she cut herself badly, we would be screwed. And that's just from this weekend. We live our lives around the FEAR of not having health care available to us.

What is so wrong with making progress and giving people the opportunity to live their lives without fear of going bankrupt over normal sickness and injuries?

It's a lot easier to wait for reform to happen when you've got health insurance...

...For someone like me, on the other side of the coin, every day waiting is another day something terrible can happen and wipe us out. So yes, I do have tunnel vision - with health care being the light at the end of the tunnel.