Yes, we can. - Page 164

Alex · 08-18-2008, 12:44 PM

It's not a ridiculous example, it is a ridiculous analogy.

innerSpaceman · 08-18-2008, 12:47 PM

Well, maybe she won't give him the king of support he's expecting, but she DID give him the $500,000 in fund-raising she promised. How is it remotely ok for him to break his part of that deal?

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-18-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Big, big difference between being nice and capitulating to demands in the interests of getting along.

And I feel like I need to take a shower. You quoted me and attributed it to ISM.

I think I was going to quote him, and the tags got jumbled - sorry!

Allowing the Clintons to speak at the Democratic National Convention is expected, not "capitulating to demands". I'd be very dismayed if they did not have a voice in the convention. That would be seriously rude.

Cadaverous Pallor · 08-18-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Well, maybe she won't give him the king of support he's expecting, but she DID give him the $500,000 in fund-raising she promised. How is it remotely ok for him to break his part of that deal?

A deal is a deal. I know nothing about this deal (still no links) but if they made a deal, both need to stick to it.

Alex · 08-18-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Well, maybe she won't give him the king of support he's expecting, but she DID give him the $500,000 in fund-raising she promised. How is it remotely ok for him to break his part of that deal?

I'm not able to find anything on the amount of fundraising he promised her. Would you be able to point me to anything discussing it?

I believe the point is that if nobody wants to donate to Clinton there isn't exactly much he can do about it short of taking money out of his campaign and giving it to her.

And you have to admit that it must be a hard sell: Please give money to this person you didn't support in the first place, money that won't go to anything advancing your political agenda, so that she can pay back the people who worked for her.

But I have no idea what was promised and what efforts, if any, he made to generate money for her.

scaeagles · 08-18-2008, 01:15 PM

I have read theories as to that was what was promised to her by Obama, at her request, but that nothing (of course) was in writing as to their arrangement. It is only theory and I don't think anyone knows for certain.

scaeagles · 08-19-2008, 04:56 AM

Off the wall prediction....

Obama will choose Colin Powell as his running mate. If he does, he wins easily. It has been rumoed Powell will b endorsing Obama, but it hasn't happened yet, and I believe this may be why.

Completely from left field, but I could see it happening. Guess we'll find out today.

scaeagles · 08-19-2008, 06:24 AM

I admit to not seeing it, but the general consensus seems to be that Obama got his butt kicked at the question and answer session a few day ago at wherever it was. So much so that there were accusations of cheating form the Obama. (Looking for a crybaby smilie but can't find one...hehehe)

And considering how Obama said he'd debate Mccain "anywhere, anytime", he sure has avoided the "town hall"meetings McCain has been asking for.

Obama has a lot of work to do before the official debates start.

Alex · 08-19-2008, 06:37 AM

There was only one question asked at Saddlebrook (or Saddlecreek or Saddlestream or Saddlesore or whatever the heck it is called) that the audience really cared about and it was stacked against Obama since the audience wasn't going to accept any other answer than that life begins and attains full human rights at conception.

All of the other questions asked were just fluff so far as the audience for that event was concerned.

scaeagles · 08-19-2008, 06:44 AM

Really? From what I've read there were questions regarding national defense and what is "evil", some character questions (like the hardest decision you've ever had to make).....I don't think it was all fluff for that audience in the least, but indeed I agree that the most pointed question was the abortion issue. But Obama's answer on that was a complete sell out. "Above my pay grade"???? C'mon dude - the POTUS is the top of the food chain (and yes, I realize that the President doesn't decide this issue, it is decided in the courts, but there is nothing above the "pay grade" of the POTUS). Have the balls to say what you believe.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I have read theories as to that was what was promised to her by Obama, at her request, but that nothing (of course) was in writing as to their arrangement. It is only theory and I don't think anyone knows for certain.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Off the wall prediction.... Obama will choose Colin Powell as his running mate. If he does, he wins easily. It has been rumoed Powell will b endorsing Obama, but it hasn't happened yet, and I believe this may be why. Completely from left field, but I could see it happening. Guess we'll find out today.
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08-19-2008, 06:24 AM	#1638
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I admit to not seeing it, but the general consensus seems to be that Obama got his butt kicked at the question and answer session a few day ago at wherever it was. So much so that there were accusations of cheating form the Obama. (Looking for a crybaby smilie but can't find one...hehehe) And considering how Obama said he'd debate Mccain "anywhere, anytime", he sure has avoided the "town hall"meetings McCain has been asking for. Obama has a lot of work to do before the official debates start.
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08-19-2008, 06:37 AM	#1639
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	There was only one question asked at Saddlebrook (or Saddlecreek or Saddlestream or Saddlesore or whatever the heck it is called) that the audience really cared about and it was stacked against Obama since the audience wasn't going to accept any other answer than that life begins and attains full human rights at conception. All of the other questions asked were just fluff so far as the audience for that event was concerned.
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08-19-2008, 06:44 AM	#1640
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Really? From what I've read there were questions regarding national defense and what is "evil", some character questions (like the hardest decision you've ever had to make).....I don't think it was all fluff for that audience in the least, but indeed I agree that the most pointed question was the abortion issue. But Obama's answer on that was a complete sell out. "Above my pay grade"???? C'mon dude - the POTUS is the top of the food chain (and yes, I realize that the President doesn't decide this issue, it is decided in the courts, but there is nothing above the "pay grade" of the POTUS). Have the balls to say what you believe.
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