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BDBopper · 08-23-2008, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth

If he chose Biden, that shows his intent to repair our badly damaged foreign relations. I would think that a very smart move. I was hoping for Richardson, but Biden is good as well.

I suppose so. I do think Richardson would have been better to fill that kind of role. Obama could have had his cake and eat it to. Richardson has foreign policy experience and he is not a Washington-as-usual politician. Also I think that Governor Richardson is more qualified to take over Obama's job if needed because he has actually run a government. Most Senators don't have that type of experience on their resume.

scaeagles · 08-23-2008, 07:10 AM

Being that I agree with Alex's assessment of Biden being the most pompous ass there is (well, Alex said that in relation to one set of hearings), I don't understand how that repairs anything. Who wants to deal with a pompous ass?

I had to add this - it's one I hadn't heard from Biden but just read.

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"I've had a great relationship [with Indian Americans]," Biden said. "In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

Wow!

Honestly, I realize you don't run against a VP candidate, but this guy does have a lot of baggage and many simmilar quotes and gaffes from plagarism to other racist remarks.

Strangler Lewis · 08-23-2008, 07:41 AM

The only good thing about the pick is that it's a person of some stature that the country is, or should be, familiar with. Beyond that, I don't see how they get around what Biden said about Obama's qualifications and cleanliness.

scaeagles · 08-23-2008, 07:54 AM

I seem to recall that he also said the that he loves McCain and he'd even consider being McCain's running mate because the country would benefit from McCain....but I haven't researched it. It's just a slight recollection.

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I was thinking about why Obama would pick Biden. Yes, there is certainly some experience there. Biden, however, is a bitterly partisan individual and known to attack brutally. If Obama truly wants an "above the fray" type campaign, he picked the wrong guy. However, if he wants someone to be vicious so he can maintain his image, he picked the right guy.

BDBopper · 08-23-2008, 08:59 AM

There is a very interesting contrast in the Veepstakes. Even though she was not chosen, Clinton is being catered to. The Florida and Michigan delegates are being seated, Both Bill and Hillary will be speaking at Convention (I think Hillary got the Keynote address), and her name is being put up for nomination to be voted on by the delegates.

Meanwhile the candidate who finsihed 2nd in the GOP is being almost completely ignored, only being given a speaking slot on Day 2 which may, or may not be in Prime Time (after being passed up by Rudy Guilianni for the Keynote slot). I'm not sure what McCain is thinking but he sure seems to be taking me, and a lot more people for granted. We are very passionate about the candidate we supported and we are being forced to swallow bitter pills (with a possible even more bitter horsepill to come this week).

scaeagles · 08-23-2008, 09:08 AM

Personally, I will be disappointed with anyone except Romney (whom I voted for in the primary). But this is the Obama thread.

BDBopper · 08-23-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Personally, I will be disappointed with anyone except Romney (whom I voted for in the primary). But this is the Obama thread.

Very true. That is the very bitter horsepill I was referring to. LOL

My hijacking of this thread is now over.

Not Afraid · 08-23-2008, 09:30 AM

What a disappointing choice.

innerSpaceman · 08-23-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Biden, however, is a bitterly partisan individual and known to attack brutally. If Obama truly wants an "above the fray" type campaign, he picked the wrong guy. However, if he wants someone to be vicious so he can maintain his image ...

Perfect, then. While all Americans of intellect and maturity should deplore and reject the lowball, frankly juevnile tactics employed by McCain of late ... they have, of course, worked. Obama has lost his lead and the race is, at this moment, a statistical tie in many polls. I think the lessons of Kerry's Swiftboating remain clear, and Obama has got to go on the counterattack.

If you need a VP to deal with that kind of campaign, Biden's indeed a good choice. I hope he savages McCain on a daily basis, and makes such interesting (and typically offensive) comments as will make news often.

It's a shame the VP choice has to come down to who can be the election attack dog rather than who should be a heartbeat from the presidency, but McCain took us down this well-trodden road ... and damn him for that.

scaeagles · 08-23-2008, 09:38 AM

I really don't think Obama has been on the high road either, but that's a matter of opinion, I suppose. And honestly, beyond the Obama as celebrity like Brittney and Paris, I'm not sure what's been considered even a little dirty. I suppose the main thing will be supposedly questioning his patriotism, but McCain hasn't done that, has he? As McCain has put it, he's questioning his judgement. Have other republicans been attacking? Certainly. As other dems have been attacking McCain.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I seem to recall that he also said the that he loves McCain and he'd even consider being McCain's running mate because the country would benefit from McCain....but I haven't researched it. It's just a slight recollection. Edited to add: I was thinking about why Obama would pick Biden. Yes, there is certainly some experience there. Biden, however, is a bitterly partisan individual and known to attack brutally. If Obama truly wants an "above the fray" type campaign, he picked the wrong guy. However, if he wants someone to be vicious so he can maintain his image, he picked the right guy. Last edited by scaeagles : 08-23-2008 at 08:07 AM.
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08-23-2008, 08:59 AM	#1725
BDBopper Not Taking Any Crap! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleaning Up America, One Step At A Time! Posts: 1,694	There is a very interesting contrast in the Veepstakes. Even though she was not chosen, Clinton is being catered to. The Florida and Michigan delegates are being seated, Both Bill and Hillary will be speaking at Convention (I think Hillary got the Keynote address), and her name is being put up for nomination to be voted on by the delegates. Meanwhile the candidate who finsihed 2nd in the GOP is being almost completely ignored, only being given a speaking slot on Day 2 which may, or may not be in Prime Time (after being passed up by Rudy Guilianni for the Keynote slot). I'm not sure what McCain is thinking but he sure seems to be taking me, and a lot more people for granted. We are very passionate about the candidate we supported and we are being forced to swallow bitter pills (with a possible even more bitter horsepill to come this week). Last edited by BDBopper : 08-23-2008 at 09:11 AM.
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08-23-2008, 09:08 AM	#1726
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Personally, I will be disappointed with anyone except Romney (whom I voted for in the primary). But this is the Obama thread.
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08-23-2008, 09:30 AM	#1728
Not Afraid HI! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 17,108	What a disappointing choice.
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08-23-2008, 09:38 AM	#1730
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I really don't think Obama has been on the high road either, but that's a matter of opinion, I suppose. And honestly, beyond the Obama as celebrity like Brittney and Paris, I'm not sure what's been considered even a little dirty. I suppose the main thing will be supposedly questioning his patriotism, but McCain hasn't done that, has he? As McCain has put it, he's questioning his judgement. Have other republicans been attacking? Certainly. As other dems have been attacking McCain.
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