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Cadaverous Pallor · 09-09-2008, 07:20 PM

Skip to 1:15 - the questioner rambles - but the answer is spot on.

Obama defends himself - and the Constitution - clearly.

Diggers - Digg it!

innerSpaceman · 09-09-2008, 07:53 PM

Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I find I can't support Mr. Obama. I don't think I'm even going to vote for him.

His stance on finding common ground on thorny social issues that divide this country has become more and more troubling to me. He desires to pull all sides to the middle, and to accommodate people who want to foist their religious beliefs on all Americans so as to curtail the liberties that this country is supposed to be dedicated to.

I have no desire to accommodate people who consider me a sinner who should burn in hell. There's no middle ground that could be occupied. I demand my full civil rights and I will settle for nothing less. I will not meet in the middle those on the complete wrong side of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Furthermore, with Proposition 8 the most important element of this November's election as far as I'm concerned, I won't be supporting any candidate for any office who is opposed to gay marriage rights.

I'm not willing to move to the middle on women's reproductive freedoms either. So any talk of accommodating the Fundies on this one is a no-go for me as well.

Being as this is California, and a done deal for Obama, I have the luxury of voting my conscience. And mine will not allow a vote for either the Democratic or Republican candidates.

€uroMeinke · 09-09-2008, 11:32 PM

Does Queer Nation still exist? where are the Gay Terrorists?

scaeagles · 09-10-2008, 04:03 AM

ISM, I can totally relate. I've gone back and forth with voting for McCain or simply taking advantage that I live in AZ which he'll win by a significant margin. It's only very recently that I feel like I can vote for him without completely gagging as I punch the chad or mark the mark or whatever it is I'll do.

I, for one, will not be someone saying that since you didn't vote you can't complain. Not voting due to a conscious decision is far different than apathy.

Cadaverous Pallor · 09-10-2008, 08:01 AM

iSm, click here.

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Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
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Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Barack Obama scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard.
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Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.

Yes, he is not a supporter of the gay marriage movement, which sucks. But he's everything but, and surely 89% is worthy of consideration. I'd say he is the strongest gay-rights presidential candidate, ever.

Just sayin'.

Gemini Cricket · 09-10-2008, 09:02 AM

CP,
I agree. I would rather see Obama represent me than McCain. I'm thinking that with Obama, I'm going to hear less about how me marrying someone of the same sex is going to destroy the country.

scaeagles · 09-10-2008, 09:12 AM

Not to try to speak for ISM, but I think he's in agreement with that, but because he's in an easy Obama win state, he can feel free to vote his conscience rather than worrying about casting a vote for the lesser of two evils.

I say this only because I have been in the exact same boat on the oppostie side.

Gemini Cricket · 09-10-2008, 09:20 AM

I like the whole idea of protest voting. But does anyone really look at those ballots with blanks and say, 'Hey, look at that! We better do something!'?

Ghoulish Delight · 09-10-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I like the whole idea of protest voting. But does anyone really look at those ballots with blanks and say, 'Hey, look at that! We better do something!'?

Yes. Those statistics are kept and you can bet the people whose job it is to run campaigns pay attention to the numbers of people who, say, vote mostly party line but leave the Presidential part of the ballot blank.

Gemini Cricket · 09-10-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Yes. Those statistics are kept and you can bet the people whose job it is to run campaigns pay attention to the numbers of people who, say, vote mostly party line but leave the Presidential part of the ballot blank.

And then they use that info to shape the way the next campaign is run? Or use it to gauge what kind of response their newly elected president will receive?
These aren't loaded questions, I'm just askin'.

09-09-2008, 07:20 PM	#1
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	Skip to 1:15 - the questioner rambles - but the answer is spot on. Obama defends himself - and the Constitution - clearly. Diggers - Digg it! __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I find I can't support Mr. Obama. I don't think I'm even going to vote for him. His stance on finding common ground on thorny social issues that divide this country has become more and more troubling to me. He desires to pull all sides to the middle, and to accommodate people who want to foist their religious beliefs on all Americans so as to curtail the liberties that this country is supposed to be dedicated to. I have no desire to accommodate people who consider me a sinner who should burn in hell. There's no middle ground that could be occupied. I demand my full civil rights and I will settle for nothing less. I will not meet in the middle those on the complete wrong side of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Furthermore, with Proposition 8 the most important element of this November's election as far as I'm concerned, I won't be supporting any candidate for any office who is opposed to gay marriage rights. I'm not willing to move to the middle on women's reproductive freedoms either. So any talk of accommodating the Fundies on this one is a no-go for me as well. Being as this is California, and a done deal for Obama, I have the luxury of voting my conscience. And mine will not allow a vote for either the Democratic or Republican candidates.
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	ISM, I can totally relate. I've gone back and forth with voting for McCain or simply taking advantage that I live in AZ which he'll win by a significant margin. It's only very recently that I feel like I can vote for him without completely gagging as I punch the chad or mark the mark or whatever it is I'll do. I, for one, will not be someone saying that since you didn't vote you can't complain. Not voting due to a conscious decision is far different than apathy. Last edited by scaeagles : 09-10-2008 at 04:14 AM. Reason: i can't spell early in the morning apparently.
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09-10-2008, 09:02 AM	#6
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	CP, I agree. I would rather see Obama represent me than McCain. I'm thinking that with Obama, I'm going to hear less about how me marrying someone of the same sex is going to destroy the country.
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09-10-2008, 09:12 AM	#7
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Not to try to speak for ISM, but I think he's in agreement with that, but because he's in an easy Obama win state, he can feel free to vote his conscience rather than worrying about casting a vote for the lesser of two evils. I say this only because I have been in the exact same boat on the oppostie side.
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09-10-2008, 09:20 AM	#8
Gemini Cricket ... Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 13,244	I like the whole idea of protest voting. But does anyone really look at those ballots with blanks and say, 'Hey, look at that! We better do something!'?
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