I have my bib on, Mr. President... - Page 2

LSPoorEeyorick · 06-28-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

The media doesn't bother to inform us that after the end of "hostilities" in WWII in Germany it took about 2.5 years for the insurgency of Hitler supporters to be controlled.

Please, don't ever, don't ever compare this war favorably with WWII.

It didn't start the same way. It didn't end the same way. It wasn't fought the same way. And we were doing it with the support of many, many other allies.

We may have removed the dictator, but the circumstances surrounding all of it makes it quite a different situation.

Ghoulish Delight · 06-29-2005, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

While Sac certainly shows very real inconsistencies in what has been said by various members of the administration and the President, and a change in tune on WMD, I will again point out that Jordanian, British, Egyptian, and Russian intelligence services also said they had WMD, as did Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, blah, blah, blah.

Would that be "the intelligence and facts [that] were being fixed around the policy"? When reports of tubes that could be used for nuclear warheads (in the same way a potato could be used as a cannon ball) turns into press conferences declaring definitive proof of WMD, I have a hard time believing that these supposed corroburating intelligence reports from around the world had much stronger evidence. Bush wanted a war, and he went and made sure every report was interpereted in a way that would support that war, even if it meant taking "could"s, "maybe"s, tenuous links and longshots and turning them into absolutes.

Scrooge McSam · 06-28-2005, 05:32 PM

Awww now Don't be that way

I thought he did pretty good

Why do you hate America?

*Scrooge ducks*

SacTown Chronic · 06-28-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge McSam

Why do you hate America?

I also hate freedom. And apple pie.

Scrooge McSam · 06-28-2005, 05:35 PM

Mothers

They're the worst

SacTown Chronic · 06-28-2005, 05:38 PM

Did ya catch the recruitment pitch at the end? I can smell the desperation from here.

Motorboat Cruiser · 06-28-2005, 05:50 PM

I kinda liked it

Only because I think he tanked. Nothing new, same talking points, 6 mentions of 9/11. And the thing is, nobody is going to change their mind as a result of this speech. Anyone that supports the war after that speech, supported it before the speech. I don't think it will fix his plummeting numbers and I don't think it will lessen the anger that is growing over his blunders. In that regard, I liked the speech.

Scrooge McSam · 06-28-2005, 05:53 PM

C'mon MBC, that little tear right at the end didn't get ya??

Tough audience

surfinmuse · 06-28-2005, 06:04 PM

Well I don't mean to speak for MBC, but if "tough" = discerning, then yes.

Largely predictable verbiage, though the "higher calling" recruitment was unexpected and cringe-worthy.

Motorboat Cruiser · 06-28-2005, 06:54 PM

There was only one line that gathered any applause in the speech. One of the commentators on ABC said that it was started by the Bush entourage at the back of the room. Not that this level of orchestration surprises me. It did cause me to consider though that if this speech does not improve his numbers, pretty much nothing will. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Well said, LSPE.

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Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	Awww now Don't be that way I thought he did pretty good Why do you hate America? Scrooge ducks
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Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	Mothers They're the worst
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SacTown Chronic the myth of the dream Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,217	Did ya catch the recruitment pitch at the end? I can smell the desperation from here. __________________ Is it the fingers, or the brain that you're teaching a lesson?
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06-28-2005, 05:50 PM	#7
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	I kinda liked it Only because I think he tanked. Nothing new, same talking points, 6 mentions of 9/11. And the thing is, nobody is going to change their mind as a result of this speech. Anyone that supports the war after that speech, supported it before the speech. I don't think it will fix his plummeting numbers and I don't think it will lessen the anger that is growing over his blunders. In that regard, I liked the speech.
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06-28-2005, 05:53 PM	#8
Scrooge McSam What? Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,635	C'mon MBC, that little tear right at the end didn't get ya?? Tough audience
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surfinmuse Mind the Gap Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 123	Well I don't mean to speak for MBC, but if "tough" = discerning, then yes. Largely predictable verbiage, though the "higher calling" recruitment was unexpected and cringe-worthy.
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06-28-2005, 06:54 PM	#10
Motorboat Cruiser Cruiser of Motorboats Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 3,665	There was only one line that gathered any applause in the speech. One of the commentators on ABC said that it was started by the Bush entourage at the back of the room. Not that this level of orchestration surprises me. It did cause me to consider though that if this speech does not improve his numbers, pretty much nothing will. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. Well said, LSPE.
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