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innerSpaceman · 10-06-2008, 03:41 PM

To answer GD's HUH and Scrooge's WHO .... it's the economic disaster that's putting this in the bag for Obama. There's 2 days less than a month to go. The economy is not going to stand still during that time. It's either going to get worse for the nation and thus better for Obama (which, yes, I believer would ultimately be better for the nation), or it's going to get better and dissolve Obama's distinct advantage.

And that's not directed to anyone in particular. Just a Sophie's choice presented to anyone to ponder.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-06-2008, 03:47 PM

Oh, is that what you meant.

First of all, the economy is not going to magically heal itself in the next month no matter what. Even if the bleeding stops, it will take a long time for a full recovery. The odds of a sudden turn around and everyone saying, "OMG, McCain really DID go fix everything!" are nil.

Second of all, even in the event of a more realistic turn around, where the bleeding stops and things level out, or even begin the slow climb back uphill, I would be beyond shocked if that were enough to turn things around for McCain. The damage has already been done, McCain has already shown that he's ill prepared to handle himself under economic pressure. From, "The economy is sound," to, "I'm suspending my campaign to do campaign interviews about suspending my campaign, to the Linda Blair routine("I'm proud to have made this bill pass." "This bill is crap, Bush needs to veto it!" "Obama phoned it in while I went there and made this bill happen." "Veto Veto Veto!!!"), no one is buying it.

Alex · 10-06-2008, 03:53 PM

If the choice is:

A. Obama presidency and anything close to the worst case scenario being presented economically.

B. McCain presidency and a healthy return to a 2004 economy.

I would, without hesitation pick B. Now, I don't think that is at all the option we're facing, but if God came down and said "I'm existing for a few minutes for the sole purpose of putting this choice on your shoulders..." then that is how I'd go.

Ghoulish Delight · 10-06-2008, 03:56 PM

Put that way, yes, I suppose I agree. I'm not sitting here rooting for utter economic meltdown so that Obama can win.

innerSpaceman · 10-06-2008, 04:49 PM

Yeah, that's sorta what I meant. I was halfway cheering economic woes for people just so they'd see the light about McCain. I felt bad about it.

Morrigoon · 10-07-2008, 10:30 AM

I'm a little disappointed that the Obama camp is stooping to McCain's level:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/

innerSpaceman · 10-07-2008, 10:49 AM

Personally, I'm thrilled.

Everyone complained when Kerry got his asz swiftboated into oblivion by being above the fray. Now that swiftboating is a freaking VERB ... I don't want even the likes of cool and collected Obama to just sit there and take it.

If John McCain wants guilt-by-association ... he made a very, very, very bad choice. McCain's got some truly dicey associations, and I hope the Obama camp outs every one of them.

BTW, I don't mind them saying, while they do so, that guilt by association is retarded ... but since McCain brought it up, here's some of the villains he's done business with over the years of his long maverickhood.

JWBear · 10-07-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

Personally, I'm thrilled.

Everyone complained when Kerry got his asz swiftboated into oblivion by being above the fray. Now that swiftboating is a freaking VERB ... I don't want even the likes of cool and collected Obama to just sit there and take it.

If John McCain wants guilt-by-association ... he made a very, very, very bad choice. McCain's got some truly dicey associations, and I hope the Obama camp outs every one of them.

BTW, I don't mind them saying, while they do so, that guilt by association is retarded ... but since McCain brought it up, here's some of the villains he's done business with over the years of his long maverickhood.

Unfortunately, ties to an ultra right-wing fascist organization will only make him more popular with his base…

innerSpaceman · 10-07-2008, 11:41 AM

Like I ever believed that for a second anyway. But why is this in the Obama thread? Are you saying he's a muslim terrorist?

Morrigoon · 10-07-2008, 11:50 AM

I just got a call from the Obama campaign looking for phone bank volunteers. They have an office in Mission Viejo (corner of Los Alisos and Trabuco) that's open from:

10a-9p weekdays
11a-9p weekends

The phone number there is 949-584-5819. They have a calendar you can sign up on, but he said walk-in volunteers are welcome as well.

You guys up for a little campaigning?

10-06-2008, 03:41 PM	#1
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	To answer GD's HUH and Scrooge's WHO .... it's the economic disaster that's putting this in the bag for Obama. There's 2 days less than a month to go. The economy is not going to stand still during that time. It's either going to get worse for the nation and thus better for Obama (which, yes, I believer would ultimately be better for the nation), or it's going to get better and dissolve Obama's distinct advantage. And that's not directed to anyone in particular. Just a Sophie's choice presented to anyone to ponder.
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10-06-2008, 03:47 PM	#2
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Oh, is that what you meant. First of all, the economy is not going to magically heal itself in the next month no matter what. Even if the bleeding stops, it will take a long time for a full recovery. The odds of a sudden turn around and everyone saying, "OMG, McCain really DID go fix everything!" are nil. Second of all, even in the event of a more realistic turn around, where the bleeding stops and things level out, or even begin the slow climb back uphill, I would be beyond shocked if that were enough to turn things around for McCain. The damage has already been done, McCain has already shown that he's ill prepared to handle himself under economic pressure. From, "The economy is sound," to, "I'm suspending my campaign to do campaign interviews about suspending my campaign, to the Linda Blair routine("I'm proud to have made this bill pass." "This bill is crap, Bush needs to veto it!" "Obama phoned it in while I went there and made this bill happen." "Veto Veto Veto!!!"), no one is buying it. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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10-06-2008, 03:53 PM	#3
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	If the choice is: A. Obama presidency and anything close to the worst case scenario being presented economically. B. McCain presidency and a healthy return to a 2004 economy. I would, without hesitation pick B. Now, I don't think that is at all the option we're facing, but if God came down and said "I'm existing for a few minutes for the sole purpose of putting this choice on your shoulders..." then that is how I'd go.
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10-06-2008, 03:56 PM	#4
Ghoulish Delight I Floop the Pig Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Alternative Swankstyle Posts: 19,348	Put that way, yes, I suppose I agree. I'm not sitting here rooting for utter economic meltdown so that Obama can win. __________________ 'He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.' -TJ
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10-06-2008, 04:49 PM	#5
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Yeah, that's sorta what I meant. I was halfway cheering economic woes for people just so they'd see the light about McCain. I felt bad about it.
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10-07-2008, 10:30 AM	#6
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	I'm a little disappointed that the Obama camp is stooping to McCain's level: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/ __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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10-07-2008, 10:49 AM	#7
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Personally, I'm thrilled. Everyone complained when Kerry got his asz swiftboated into oblivion by being above the fray. Now that swiftboating is a freaking VERB ... I don't want even the likes of cool and collected Obama to just sit there and take it. If John McCain wants guilt-by-association ... he made a very, very, very bad choice. McCain's got some truly dicey associations, and I hope the Obama camp outs every one of them. BTW, I don't mind them saying, while they do so, that guilt by association is retarded ... but since McCain brought it up, here's some of the villains he's done business with over the years of his long maverickhood.
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10-07-2008, 11:41 AM	#9
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Like I ever believed that for a second anyway. But why is this in the Obama thread? Are you saying he's a muslim terrorist?
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10-07-2008, 11:50 AM	#10
Morrigoon I throw stones at houses Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Location: Location Posts: 9,534	I just got a call from the Obama campaign looking for phone bank volunteers. They have an office in Mission Viejo (corner of Los Alisos and Trabuco) that's open from: 10a-9p weekdays 11a-9p weekends The phone number there is 949-584-5819. They have a calendar you can sign up on, but he said walk-in volunteers are welcome as well. You guys up for a little campaigning? __________________ http://bash.org/?top "It is useless for sheep to pass a resolution in favor of vegetarianism while wolves remain of a different opinion." -- William Randolph Inge
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