Debates of all ilk - Page 22

Morrigoon · 10-03-2008, 02:03 AM

Strangler Lewis · 10-03-2008, 03:56 AM

Maybe Pat Buchanan isn't gay after all, since he loved her out of all proportion to her performance. Or maybe he's just overcompensating.

As has been said, she came across like the host of Morning Latte with the teleprompter on instead of with the teleprompter off, which it has been during her recent interviews. I don't think the canned performance last night did anything to erase the previous negative impressions, and I think the line about direct talk to the people vs. media filters made no sense.

Weird note on the subject of gay rights: She started to say something that I thought was going to be "some of my best friends are gay" but turned out to be "some of my best friends are homophobic bigots." They do appear to be going for the gay vote since I don't know who would be turned on by all this "I'm a maverick/He's a maverick" talk other than chaps wearing accountants on Folsom Street.

On the constitutional expansion issue, I don't think she was advocating anything. I think that was an area where she had no idea what she was talking about and crap just fell out of her mouth.

Biden did very well, although I was worried for a second during the final handshake that he was going to kiss her. Most importantly, I think Biden did a much better job of selling Obama and the Democrats than Palin did of selling McCain and the Republicans.

Her suit was beautiful.

I thought there was a weird vibe between the families on the platform at the end. I was worried the scene was going to go Springer.

I still say that's Bristol's baby.

innerSpaceman · 10-03-2008, 05:54 AM

And I guess I can't complain about "nukular," since I really like "Bosniacs."

scaeagles, of course Biden didn't have an answer about disagreeing with Obama when they were campaign opponents. There is none. I honestly don't recall though .... did he simply not answer, or did he evade with a speech about something else entirely? If the former, that was pretty classy (imo) in a debate full of bullsh!t evasions (on both sides).

scaeagles · 10-03-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

scaeagles, of course Biden didn't have an answer about disagreeing with Obama when they were campaign opponents. There is none. I honestly don't recall though .... did he simply not answer, or did he evade with a speech about something else entirely? If the former, that was pretty classy (imo) in a debate full of bullsh!t evasions (on both sides).

He tried to put a spin on it, but never directly addressed it.

I don't think it's classy to avoid the issue, though. I think with such a large portion of the current political debate being Iraq and Afghanistan it is VERY important why he thought Obama to be "not ready" to be commander in chief and why those rather pointed criticisms of Obama and praise of McCain - when there have been no significant policy shifts for either since then - no longer apply now.

LSPoorEeyorick · 10-03-2008, 06:30 AM

Bosniacs was a slip, I think, like O'Biden - and I slip all the time so I'm forgiving.

But nu-kyu-lar is intentional. And I don't care how accepted it's becoming, I'm always going to look down on anyone who mispronounces it. Look at the word. It's not spelled nucular. Nu-cle-ar. It's right there in the spelling. And I don't support the vocabularic pandering of accepting "libary" or "axe me a question" either.

Hey, did you guys notice she recommended we trust the terrorists? Biden said that they're in the hills in Afghanistan and Pakistan; she said that our general and the terrorist leader both said they're in Iraq and we should trust their word. Trust the general, honey, but maybe not the terrorist.

blueerica · 10-03-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket

I also thought the "I've only been at this for 5 1/2 weeks" line was not smart.

Hrmmm.... I actually liked that line from her the best. What I couldn't stand were the cheesy 'tagline' statements she made throughout.

Overall, interesting debate. I don't think any one did better than the other, really. If anything McCain will see the boost (as mentioned and evidenced by GD), partly because she didn't come off as dumb as she has in recent times.

innerSpaceman · 10-03-2008, 06:54 AM

I actually wonder if Palin will stop dominating the news once the Presidential Debates resume next Tuesday. Since his big "campaign suspension" gaffe, McCain's been invisible in the media. That can't be good for a candidate ... though, in truth, I think the Republican Ticket is reversed and that there are Palin supporters and there are Obama supporters.

I'm not sure there are many true McCain supporters. Quite the oddity this time around.

scaeagles · 10-03-2008, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

I'm not sure there are many true McCain supporters. Quite the oddity this time around.

Indeed. I am not one and I don't know of many, even here in the state of AZ.

innerSpaceman · 10-03-2008, 06:59 AM

You miss my point (and I don't remember what he did in response). Simply not answering is not avoiding the issue to same lame degree as talking about something else entirely. If tearing down your own candidate on national tv is simply NOT a possibility, I personally find just shutting up to be the classier move than prevaracating ... precisely because I think silence speaks volumes in response to certain questions. But better to be silent than to lie or juevenily change the subject.

scaeagles · 10-03-2008, 07:01 AM

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Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Maybe Pat Buchanan isn't gay after all, since he loved her out of all proportion to her performance. Or maybe he's just overcompensating. As has been said, she came across like the host of Morning Latte with the teleprompter on instead of with the teleprompter off, which it has been during her recent interviews. I don't think the canned performance last night did anything to erase the previous negative impressions, and I think the line about direct talk to the people vs. media filters made no sense. Weird note on the subject of gay rights: She started to say something that I thought was going to be "some of my best friends are gay" but turned out to be "some of my best friends are homophobic bigots." They do appear to be going for the gay vote since I don't know who would be turned on by all this "I'm a maverick/He's a maverick" talk other than chaps wearing accountants on Folsom Street. On the constitutional expansion issue, I don't think she was advocating anything. I think that was an area where she had no idea what she was talking about and crap just fell out of her mouth. Biden did very well, although I was worried for a second during the final handshake that he was going to kiss her. Most importantly, I think Biden did a much better job of selling Obama and the Democrats than Palin did of selling McCain and the Republicans. Her suit was beautiful. I thought there was a weird vibe between the families on the platform at the end. I was worried the scene was going to go Springer. I still say that's Bristol's baby. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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10-03-2008, 05:54 AM	#3
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	And I guess I can't complain about "nukular," since I really like "Bosniacs." scaeagles, of course Biden didn't have an answer about disagreeing with Obama when they were campaign opponents. There is none. I honestly don't recall though .... did he simply not answer, or did he evade with a speech about something else entirely? If the former, that was pretty classy (imo) in a debate full of bullsh!t evasions (on both sides).
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10-03-2008, 06:30 AM	#5
LSPoorEeyorick scribblin' Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in the moment Posts: 3,872	Bosniacs was a slip, I think, like O'Biden - and I slip all the time so I'm forgiving. But nu-kyu-lar is intentional. And I don't care how accepted it's becoming, I'm always going to look down on anyone who mispronounces it. Look at the word. It's not spelled nucular. Nu-cle-ar. It's right there in the spelling. And I don't support the vocabularic pandering of accepting "libary" or "axe me a question" either. Hey, did you guys notice she recommended we trust the terrorists? Biden said that they're in the hills in Afghanistan and Pakistan; she said that our general and the terrorist leader both said they're in Iraq and we should trust their word. Trust the general, honey, but maybe not the terrorist.
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10-03-2008, 06:54 AM	#7
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I actually wonder if Palin will stop dominating the news once the Presidential Debates resume next Tuesday. Since his big "campaign suspension" gaffe, McCain's been invisible in the media. That can't be good for a candidate ... though, in truth, I think the Republican Ticket is reversed and that there are Palin supporters and there are Obama supporters. I'm not sure there are many true McCain supporters. Quite the oddity this time around.
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10-03-2008, 06:59 AM	#9
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	You miss my point (and I don't remember what he did in response). Simply not answering is not avoiding the issue to same lame degree as talking about something else entirely. If tearing down your own candidate on national tv is simply NOT a possibility, I personally find just shutting up to be the classier move than prevaracating ... precisely because I think silence speaks volumes in response to certain questions. But better to be silent than to lie or juevenily change the subject.
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10-03-2008, 07:01 AM	#10
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