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[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

I thought Biden did a stellar job of driving home two main themes. 1) Go ahead and bring up individual votes all you want, I can show you how the REAL thrust of that vote was the bill it was attached to, not the issue you want it to be about

Places where I think he failed: 1) Regarding the surge, I think the Obama camp's tack should be, "We were against the surge not because we think it was doomed to failure, but because we would rather have seen a strategy that put the responsibility on Iraqis to handle their own ****."

Kind of like when Biden was saying Obama voted for the 4 billion in oil company tax breaks, but did so for a different motive than McCain? Clearly when they voted the same he was questioning their motives.

Secondly, it may be good if Obama says that about the surge, but it would be a lie. The entire dem platform - and I'll look for Obama quotes later - has been that it was doomed to failure, and that it was failing.

What Biden had no answer for was when she quote him regarding how he disagreed with Obama and his stances duing the primary debates and would be honored to run with McCain. He had no answer for that.

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Biden is my new geriatric crush.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Kind of like when Biden was saying Obama voted for the 4 billion in oil company tax breaks, but did so for a different motive than McCain? Clearly when they voted the same he was questioning their motives.

No, what he said, over and over, was that in the examples she would bring up in which Obama voted for/against X, either Obama was actually voting for/against Y which just happened to have X attached to it. Did John McCain vote for mandatory mental health coverage, NASCAR subsidies, and tax breaks this week? No, he voted for the bailout package. Did McCainn vote against troop funding? No, he voted against a timetable. That isn't questioning motivation, that's, correctly, pointing out that senate voting records are complex and easily distorted by ignoring context (not saying Obama's camp doesn't do the same, but it's still a salient point).