All About McCain

[Tom]

If there are so many women who will vote for a woman candidate only on that basis, then Elizabeth Dole's run for the presidency in 2000 wouldn't have flamed out before the first primaries. I don't think any significant number of Hillary supporters will be drawn to Palin.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Tom

If there are so many women who will vote for a woman candidate only on that basis, then Elizabeth Dole's run for the presidency in 2000 wouldn't have flamed out before the first primaries. I don't think any significant number of Hillary supporters will be drawn to Palin.

I dont' think i said "so many women". I agree with Morrigoon's assessment that in a close election it doesn't take a whole bunch to turn the tide. Even 3894 must think it is a possibility because she almost immediately posted "women, we are better than this".

[3894]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Even 3894 must think it is a possibility because she almost immediately posted "women, we are better than this".

Honestly, that's not at all what I meant. Her pick was a cynical move. McCain and his team must actually disdain the intelligence of women. That's what I was thinking.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I dont' think i said "so many women". I agree with Morrigoon's assessment that in a close election it doesn't take a whole bunch to turn the tide. Even 3894 must think it is a possibility because she almost immediately posted "women, we are better than this".

I didn't mean that as a response to you specifically, but as a general thought on one of the supposed rationales for the pick. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

And I expect that Palin won't draw any measurable amount of women to the Republican ticket, at least not when you also consider those she will drive away. But we'll find out soon enough if that's the case.

[JWBear]

Oh... for the record... My mother, a diehard life long Republican, does not like the choice of Palin. She thinks McCain was "stupid" to pick her because "He just did it to try and get Hillary supporters to vote for him".

[CoasterMatt]

I was hoping McCain would have picked Jaleel White as his running mate - nobody would vote against Urkel.

[scaeagles]

I agree with you in principle, tracilicious. Remember, I said that I don't understand single issue voters.

As a support for my case, I'm going to (and I can't believe I'm doing this) talk about Geraldine Ferraro, who says she believes that Palin could be the difference maker exactly for the reason I'm talking about. Just so I'm not accused of becoming a Ferraro fan all of the sudden, I will say that I am only citing her to show that there are hard code democrat women that certainly see this along the same lines I do.

[scaeagles]

I'll accept that you meant that. However, it goes beyond that in terms of why she was selected....she isn't just a woman, she is a woman that has the effect of consolidating the conservative base. I don't pretend that being female, though, wasn't a major consideration on McCain's part.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Any person who votes for a ticket based on the VP is not thinking clearly. Any person who votes for a VP based on their gender, or the fact that they have a mentally challenged child are thinking even less clearly.

Of course this doesn't change the fact that they will vote the way they vote, which is why getting ACTUAL information out there is so important.

I'm not surprised that we have heard wack-job extremists online saying "I'll vote for any woman". Um, they're the most vocal crazies.

All I know is, Hillary better have her best speech writers working on this one. After her convention speech I'm sure she can put something good together in a few days.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

All I know is, Hillary better have her best speech writers working on this one. After her convention speech I'm sure she can put something good together in a few days.

You're assuming Hillary wants Obama to win. I still do not believe she does and is in the very difficult position of trying to act like she does without really helping him. The Clintons are very, very dirty politically and I am certain they have minions working behind the scenes to undermine him.

She wants to run again in 2012. She won't run against a democrat incumbant (unless he wins and is so completely inept that she thinks she can get away with it).