Concern for France and Europe - Page 3

€uroMeinke · 11-10-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

The goal, clearly, is to overwhelm western culture with Islamic culture. This is just the beginning of an organized campaign.

That may well be the goal of the extremists, but I don't think they speak for most of the immigrant populations, who want jobs, prosperity, and western style hedonism. They attract the disenfranchised, who will continue to lash out in horrendous ways - much like Timothy McViegh, the Unibomber, and other lunatic terrorsits of the west.

I heard an intersting comment today about the bombings in Jordan. One person characterized the reason the terrorists were more successful this time in carrying out their plans, was that their support and infrastructure had shrank, making them more insular and harder to detect.

Oh, and calling back Morigoon's comment about the French rulling on headscarves - I found it interesting to discover that Turkey has banned women from wearing headscarves in the public universities as they feel it conflicts with their being a secular society.

There is much brewing in this pot, Radical Islam is capitalizing on people's malaise and discontent, but I'm not sure that westernized Muslims will be willing to give up the spoils of modern living anymore than their Christian brethern have.

wendybeth · 11-10-2005, 09:55 PM

I've no doubt at all that there is organisation behind this, much as there was behind the Russian, French and American Revolutions. There were also groups with nefarious designs behind much of the unrest during the Industrial revolution as well. The point is that they are able to exploit the disenfranchised far more readily than they can anyone who enjoys economic well being and/or elevated social class. The underclass, proletariat, Third Estate- whatever the hell you want to call them- have always existed. Around the turn of the century here in America, it was those damned Irish and Italians- they were gonna ruin the country with their labor movements, socialist and archarchist groups. In the sixties, it was the Black Panthers, hippies and the Weathermen. The simple fact remains that France is reaping what she has sown- treat people like **** long enough, give them no financial or emotional investment in their 'country' and no hope for the future, and you've got the perfect storm brewing.

And don't think for a second it can't happen here.

11-10-2005, 09:55 PM	#2
wendybeth Nevermind Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,847	I've no doubt at all that there is organisation behind this, much as there was behind the Russian, French and American Revolutions. There were also groups with nefarious designs behind much of the unrest during the Industrial revolution as well. The point is that they are able to exploit the disenfranchised far more readily than they can anyone who enjoys economic well being and/or elevated social class. The underclass, proletariat, Third Estate- whatever the hell you want to call them- have always existed. Around the turn of the century here in America, it was those damned Irish and Italians- they were gonna ruin the country with their labor movements, socialist and archarchist groups. In the sixties, it was the Black Panthers, hippies and the Weathermen. The simple fact remains that France is reaping what she has sown- treat people like **** long enough, give them no financial or emotional investment in their 'country' and no hope for the future, and you've got the perfect storm brewing. And don't think for a second it can't happen here. __________________
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