Yes, we can.

[Not Afraid]

Originally Posted by Alex

But don't he and Clinton both essentially make all of the same promises? He just does it with better speeches.

Essentially? Yes. They really aren't that much different of a package if you take away the personalities. He's just got a better marketing machine behind him and is a more "personable" guy. That doesn't sway me much because, I'm looking for a good president, not a best friend.

Originally Posted by Alex

Is it that you think she is more likely to deliver?

Who knows, but she's had a bird's-eye view of the presidential seat and I think that will be very helpful to her should she win.

[Kevy Baby]

I'm still waiting for the 61st Amendment to be passed.

[blueerica]

Wow, I guess I'm just not all that pumped about this election.

[wendybeth]

You know, with the direction the economy is going and the state of the nation in general, I must say I wouldn't be heartbroken if the Repub's took it. I mean, at some point they've got to lay off the Clinton's Fault maneuver and accept that they've really ****ed things up. I really don't know if anyone can clean this mess up anytime soon, and whoever takes over is going to look like crap by the end of the first year. Might as well remain the Repub's in that case.

[Motorboat Cruiser]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

You know, with the direction the economy is going and the state of the nation in general, I must say I wouldn't be heartbroken if the Repub's took it. I mean, at some point they've got to lay off the Clinton's Fault maneuver and accept that they've really ****ed things up. I really don't know if anyone can clean this mess up anytime soon, and whoever takes over is going to look like crap by the end of the first year. Might as well remain the Repub's in that case.

I completely understand where you are coming from and in some cases, agree. But McCain has clearly stated more than once that "there will be more wars" and that 100-year occupation is just fine with him. As much as I would like to see the pubs have to face up to their own mess, the possibility exists that they could also make things a whole lot worse, and I can't take that gamble.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

You know, with the direction the economy is going and the state of the nation in general, I must say I wouldn't be heartbroken if the Repub's took it. I mean, at some point they've got to lay off the Clinton's Fault maneuver and accept that they've really ****ed things up. I really don't know if anyone can clean this mess up anytime soon, and whoever takes over is going to look like crap by the end of the first year. Might as well remain the Repub's in that case.

So the Repubs can't blame Clinton for his mistakes, but dems can blame Bush for his mistakes? You said the Repubs messed things up and whomever is elected will look bad. Won't you be crying "it's Bush's fault" the same as I did about the things that I thought were Clinton's fault?

Of course you will.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

So the Repubs can't blame Clinton for his mistakes, but dems can blame Bush for his mistakes? You said the Repubs messed things up and whomever is elected will look bad. Won't you be crying "it's Bush's fault" the same as I did about the things that I thought were Clinton's fault?

Of course you will.

No, silly. I'll be blaming Cheney. You really don't think Dubya has actually been calling the shots, do you? (No pun intended).

Back on topic: At the debate yesterday, Clinton mocked Obama over his supposed plagiarism of a friend's speech, but it backfired- the audience booed her for it. She needs to watch it- people don't want Rovian politics, and Obama seems to know it. I realize his response (“What we shouldn’t be spending time doing is tearing each other down. We should be spending time lifting the country up.”) was probably not what he was really thinking, but he was able to deflect her attempted smear and it wound up only making her look bad.

[scaeagles]

You can be an outsider and get my vote. I voted Forbes in 2000.

[Cadaverous Pallor]

The idea that people count time spent as First Lady as experience baffles me. It also pisses me off. No one elected her to anything then. If Bill had appointed her to his cabinet or something, fine. Other than that, I think the whole First Lady/First Gentleman thing should be external and decorative and nothing more. Perhaps if the bumper stickers had read "Bill, Hillary and Al '92" it would have been more honest.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

The idea that people count time spent as First Lady as experience baffles me. It also pisses me off.

I heard some pundit say "The pastry chef's been working in the White House for decades, but I'm not voting for him for President."

Thought it was funny.