Help me understand the Super Hero genre - Page 4

NirvanaMan · 07-25-2008, 05:01 PM

They're fun.

Kevy Baby · 07-25-2008, 05:10 PM

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I like to see s*** blown up.

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They're fun.

Now TWO very excellent reasons to watch.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 07-28-2008, 12:22 PM

I'm not sure where to start. I fully agree with Boss Radio, I think that is an accurate discription.

I always believed that the Super Hero "red letter" was always paper thin. Although it is a good 60% of what is published in comics, its not the all definite. SImilar to the other genres like Comedy, Action or Drama, there are other variations.

I got into comics as a kid because of Star Wars - I was a big fan and one day at a garage sale I found SW comics and i was hooked. When I moved to Colorado, the local 7/11 and Market sold comics and I picked up all the Star Wars I could find. I loved the medium of comics, so I branched out into other titles and it eventually motivated me to want to do comics myself. It wasn't about tights or powers, it was about characters and the stories and how I related to them and felt after reading it. SImilar to a good film or book where afterwords you feel a certain satifaction. One thing i think nails what "Comics" are, and this is a bit of a loose quote that I've heard many times, is that they do what no other medium can do - the can tell the stories no other medium can - they can create an imagination that no other medium can, because they combine what's best in "entertainment" - it is PROSE, it is ART, it is CINEMA and it is IMAGINATION. No other medium can really posess and give you all those things and not caring where its a guy in underwear or Bond or Star Wars or Care Bears. Its a medium that deals directly with your emotions on many levels.

Like with Watchmen, I am hoping this will do what Dark Knight has done because it will turn "Suprehero" movies of the past on its ear.

Anyway...

Gn2Dlnd · 07-28-2008, 02:01 PM

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I didn't see this summer's The Incredible Hulk - did it pay homage to the Ang Lee original??

I don't know about the Ang Lee version, I didn't see it. But two, count 'em, two references to the TV show!

€uroMeinke · 07-28-2008, 08:42 PM

Comics I get as well as graphic novels - my challenge there is being overwhelmed by the explosion of the genre. But even as a kid, I read Archie and Dennis the Menace never taking to the Super Hero comics.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 07-28-2008, 09:04 PM

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Comics I get as well as graphic novels - my challenge there is being overwhelmed by the explosion of the genre.

Well, like everything in movies, each genre has it's day. We all know once one movie does extremely well, it leads to more and more of the same. Its not any different with Super Hero films. I think its a vastly untapped genre and has about a 3% ratio of excellence. Most of the films have sucked and have totally missed the mark on many levels. I think the genre has always been with it, just the massive success of Spider-Man and Dark Knight have shined a light on it and with good reason because they're fantastic films. I think if "hollywood" had chosen to do well made, written, acted and faithful films, we'd have seen this explosion along time ago.

innerSpaceman · 07-28-2008, 09:27 PM

I dunno ' bout that. Superman was a huge hit in 1979. Batman a sensation a decade later. Why not till circa 2000 for the genre to explode?

NirvanaMan · 07-28-2008, 10:32 PM

Still haven't seen Superman.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded · 07-28-2008, 10:34 PM

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I dunno ' bout that. Superman was a huge hit in 1979. Batman a sensation a decade later. Why not till circa 2000 for the genre to explode?

Well, those were huge hits but that's about 1 in the 70's and 1 in the 80's. Other super-hero films were made but flopped. Captain America (1989), Fantastic Four (1990 - Not released), Punisher (Dolph Lungren version), Nick Fury (TV Film), Generation X (TV Movie) . Some did ok like Dick Tracy, Ninja Turtles, The Crow, all in the 90's. Then in the new millennium,there were many more that did big boxoffice - Spider-Man 1-3, Superman Returns, Dark KNight, Batman Begins, X-Men 1-3, Hulk, Iron Man Hellboy, Blade 1-3, Daredevil, Elektra, the Incredibles, etc etc.

What we saw, i think, was a ton of really terrible super-hero films early on that didn't make any money so Hollywood lost interest. Now with the huge boxoffice started by Spiderman and X-men, Hollywood noticed the $$ rolling in so they're following the explosion of the genre.

NirvanaMan · 07-28-2008, 10:48 PM

The Crow was from a comic? Damn. Maybe I secretly do like comics. Or just film noir.

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Bornieo: Fully Loaded Lego Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Disneyland, USA Posts: 3,704	I'm not sure where to start. I fully agree with Boss Radio, I think that is an accurate discription. I always believed that the Super Hero "red letter" was always paper thin. Although it is a good 60% of what is published in comics, its not the all definite. SImilar to the other genres like Comedy, Action or Drama, there are other variations. I got into comics as a kid because of Star Wars - I was a big fan and one day at a garage sale I found SW comics and i was hooked. When I moved to Colorado, the local 7/11 and Market sold comics and I picked up all the Star Wars I could find. I loved the medium of comics, so I branched out into other titles and it eventually motivated me to want to do comics myself. It wasn't about tights or powers, it was about characters and the stories and how I related to them and felt after reading it. SImilar to a good film or book where afterwords you feel a certain satifaction. One thing i think nails what "Comics" are, and this is a bit of a loose quote that I've heard many times, is that they do what no other medium can do - the can tell the stories no other medium can - they can create an imagination that no other medium can, because they combine what's best in "entertainment" - it is PROSE, it is ART, it is CINEMA and it is IMAGINATION. No other medium can really posess and give you all those things and not caring where its a guy in underwear or Bond or Star Wars or Care Bears. Its a medium that deals directly with your emotions on many levels. Like with Watchmen, I am hoping this will do what Dark Knight has done because it will turn "Suprehero" movies of the past on its ear. Anyway...
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	Comics I get as well as graphic novels - my challenge there is being overwhelmed by the explosion of the genre. But even as a kid, I read Archie and Dennis the Menace never taking to the Super Hero comics. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	I dunno ' bout that. Superman was a huge hit in 1979. Batman a sensation a decade later. Why not till circa 2000 for the genre to explode?
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