RIP in 2009 - Page 42

Sohrshah · 07-02-2009, 07:32 PM

I'll keep my cell charged and will of course let you know if I see anything as well. I'm usually up by 7:30, so I'll keep my eyes and ears peeled first thing tomorrow!

Strangler Lewis · 07-03-2009, 06:12 AM

If that were true, it would be noted in the autopsy, and I think we would have heard about it.

Moonliner · 07-03-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

If that were true, it would be noted in the autopsy, and I think we would have heard about it.

I would hope that a patients right to privacy would not die with them.

Unless it was a contributing factor in his death there is no reason details about MJ (or anyone else) should be released.

Strangler Lewis · 07-03-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner

I would hope that a patients right to privacy would not die with them.

Unless it was a contributing factor in his death there is no reason details about MJ (or anyone else) should be released.

In a perfect world, perhaps, but I think this is public information, and The Smoking Gun has a number of autopsy and investigative reports into celebrity deaths on its web site.

Moonliner · 07-03-2009, 07:32 AM

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In a perfect world, perhaps, but I think this is public information, and The Smoking Gun has a number of autopsy and investigative reports into celebrity deaths on its web site.

Yes, in time it might leak out but that's very different from your assertion that the medical examiner would have released that information.

flippyshark · 07-03-2009, 06:53 AM

Hmm ... nah. I know too many men who have voices with the same pitch and tenor as Michael, and as far as I know, they are still "fully equipped." (Two who come to mind are also professional drag queens - and damn good ones. I sometimes do music arrangements for them.)

In any case, MJ's high tenor voice did not have the unnatural quality of castrati - think of a boy soprano, and that's more what castrati sound like.

Strangler Lewis · 07-03-2009, 07:48 AM

I guess I wasn't perfectly clear, but I didn't mean that the coroner or the police would mention it at a press conference if it wasn't relevant. I meant more that it would leak out. Of course, if it is publicly available information, it's not a question of leaking. It's a question of somebody in the press going, "Hmm, I wonder what's in Michael Jackson's autopsy."

Strangler Lewis · 07-03-2009, 07:55 AM

Upon further review, it appears that the autopsy report would be exempt from disclosure under the California Public Records Act at least as long as there was a concrete possibility that it related to a law enforcement action.

flippyshark · 07-03-2009, 08:02 AM

For now, burden of proof is on those making the claim. Anyone who says they actually know that MJ was castrated needs to say how they know.

Obviously, even if untrue, this is going to be a successful meme, because it seems to "explain everything." Always a red flag as far as I'm concerned. Until there's evidence, this is a wild notion.

I repeat my contention that his singing voice is perfectly within the range of a normal male tenor - stylized, yes - unnaturally high? No. There's nothing unusual about it. His speaking style is soft and breathy, but that scarcely requires castration. Has anyone here honestly never heard an adult male with a similar soft-high voice? Happens all the time.

Chernabog · 07-03-2009, 01:37 PM

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Has anyone here honestly never heard an adult male with a similar soft-high voice? Happens all the time.

Mandy Patinkin for one has a range that goes very, very high.

Also, nobody spreading the bizarre castration rumor has heard of falsetto? Odd.

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flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	Hmm ... nah. I know too many men who have voices with the same pitch and tenor as Michael, and as far as I know, they are still "fully equipped." (Two who come to mind are also professional drag queens - and damn good ones. I sometimes do music arrangements for them.) In any case, MJ's high tenor voice did not have the unnatural quality of castrati - think of a boy soprano, and that's more what castrati sound like.
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07-03-2009, 07:48 AM	#7
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I guess I wasn't perfectly clear, but I didn't mean that the coroner or the police would mention it at a press conference if it wasn't relevant. I meant more that it would leak out. Of course, if it is publicly available information, it's not a question of leaking. It's a question of somebody in the press going, "Hmm, I wonder what's in Michael Jackson's autopsy." __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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07-03-2009, 07:55 AM	#8
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	Upon further review, it appears that the autopsy report would be exempt from disclosure under the California Public Records Act at least as long as there was a concrete possibility that it related to a law enforcement action. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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07-03-2009, 08:02 AM	#9
flippyshark Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,852	For now, burden of proof is on those making the claim. Anyone who says they actually know that MJ was castrated needs to say how they know. Obviously, even if untrue, this is going to be a successful meme, because it seems to "explain everything." Always a red flag as far as I'm concerned. Until there's evidence, this is a wild notion. I repeat my contention that his singing voice is perfectly within the range of a normal male tenor - stylized, yes - unnaturally high? No. There's nothing unusual about it. His speaking style is soft and breathy, but that scarcely requires castration. Has anyone here honestly never heard an adult male with a similar soft-high voice? Happens all the time.
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