The random political thoughts thread (Part Deux)

[wendybeth]

He's rising above it and trying to not add fuel to the conflagration. He knew the level of racism out there- he's lived his life dealing with it. I also think he knew that many of us did not realize how pervasive it is. I'd like to see any President handle the crap he's had to handle, not to mention handle it with the grace that he has, but I think the last time the vitriol was this bad was probably when Lincoln was in office.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I'm not naive and I know that this is what politics is. It just seems as if you are admitting Obama is a liar because he can't tell the truth about it because of political perception.

Yes. It is a lie (if my suspicion is correct, just because I think he is motivated by X doesn't mean I'm right; though I always am). But it is both a politic and a political lie.

In the same category as how you answer "do these pants make me look fat?".

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally Posted by Alex

In the same category as how you answer "do these pants make me look fat?".

"Oh, honey, it's not the pants that makes you look fat. It's the fat that makes you look fat."*


*I can't take credit for this one. It's something an ex said. And now we know why he's an ex.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Alex

Yes. It is a lie (if my suspicion is correct, just because I think he is motivated by X doesn't mean I'm right; though I always am). But it is both a politic and a political lie.

In the same category as how you answer "do these pants make me look fat?".

In short, it's a white lie.

[alphabassettgrrl]

Cricket, that's awesome. I agree with him that the media hypes things that shouldn't be hyped. They want hysteria, panic, fear. At the very least they want shock.

I don't want shocking or panicking from my news. I want to know what's going on- I'll panic if I deem it worthy of panic. Don't tell me I ought to panic.

[scaeagles]

Gn2 - Aren't those being equated, though? Opposition to the agenda is opposition to Obama himself. That's how I read many of the portrayals of the current political climate.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Gn2 - Aren't those being equated, though? Opposition to the agenda is opposition to Obama himself. That's how I read many of the portrayals of the current political climate.

They are, and I think Alex's point of normal opposition being bumped up into frenzied opposition is why. I naively hoped that people would be so afraid of being labeled racist that they would choose to cooperate with the president more. Now they just rely on being defended by their supporters, and act offended when any of their detractors call them on it.

"No, your fat ass makes you look fat." < Why I never ask that question.

[scaeagles]

Originally Posted by Gn2Dlnd

I naively hoped that people would be so afraid of being labeled racist that they would choose to cooperate with the president more.

So you endorse using cries of racism as a political tool?

[innerSpaceman]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

So you endorse using cries of racism as a political tool?

I suppose you're claiming none of these people are lying when denying they are racist? Because, of course, racists never lie.


Yeah, this puts us in the difficult position of proving a negative. That's tough. But, like I said, you're gonna have to put a lot more effort into NOT seeming a racist when virulently opposing our first, ya know, colored president.

[Gn2Dlnd]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

So you endorse using cries of racism as a political tool?

I do?

I thought I simply expressed a desire to see the political discourse in the country become a little better mannered. Racist me, keepin' down the white man.