Republican National Convention '08

[wendybeth]

Seeings how over 48% of the nation did not vote for Bush in the '04 election, I think your assertion of 'most' is a tad bit of an exaggeration. I'm a moderate as well- I've voted for two Republicans in past local elections, both of them being reasonable and moderate persons who I happened to think were the best persons for the jobs they were running for. I did not vote for Bush.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Seeings how over 48% of the nation did not vote for Bush in the '04 election, I think your assertion of 'most' is a tad bit of an exaggeration. I'm a moderate as well- I've voted for two Republicans in past local elections, both of them being reasonable and moderate persons who I happened to think were the best persons for the jobs they were running for. I did not vote for Bush.

I would think that the number would have to be reduced to account for all the people who didn't vote at all.

[JWBear]

Originally Posted by sleepyjeff

Most of the Nation voted for George Bush 4 years ago. To be a moderate you either voted for him or almost voted for him......if the very idea of voting for him was repugnant to you then I've got some bad news for you.....you're not a moderate

Ummmmm.... No. "Most" of the nation did not vote for him - only about half. (So, we are rewriting history now?) By that measure, only about half the moderates voted for him.

[Ghoulish Delight]

Originally Posted by JWBear

Ummmmm.... No. "Most" of the nation did not vote for him - only about half.

To be fair, by definition, the 50.7% of voters that voted for him mean that, yes, "most" voters voted for Bush.

But of course, since only about 60% of eligible voters actually bothered to vote, that means only about 30% of the country voted for Bush.

[JWBear]

Very true. To some, I would be a liberal; but only because they have shifted to the right, while I have stood still.

I'm fiscally conservative, in that I believe in lower taxes for the middle class and the poor and a prudent tax plan for the wealthy and businesses; along with prudent government spending and the reduction of our national debt. The Republican plan is to tax the middle class to death, huge tax cuts to big corporations and the wealthiest 1%, bloated military spending, and borrowing vast amounts from the Chinese. To me (and the last eight years support this), this is a fiscal disaster in the making. The Republican Party, and John McCain are advocating more of the same. Why would a fiscal conservative vote for this?

[scaeagles]

I've voted for dems in local elections, but somehow I don't think anyone here would accept that from me as proof that I'm moderate.

[wendybeth]

Originally Posted by scaeagles

I've voted for dems in local elections, but somehow I don't think anyone here would accept that from me as proof that I'm moderate.

Quite the opposite- I do think you are a moderate conservative. I am a moderate liberal. I think a vocal minority on both sides are extreme right or left, but most moderates live in the real world where we realize that few things are black and white, and we are able to reason out the best possible outcomes and even compromise to achieve that goal. Extremists do not compromise, and they are never wrong. They deny their humanity and are willfully ignorant. Your voting 'across the aisle' shows that you are not a rabid extremist, and are capable of free thought. You're just a little misguided sometimes.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

Quite the opposite- I do think you are a moderate conservative. I am a moderate liberal. I think a vocal minority on both sides are extreme right or left, but most moderates live in the real world where we realize that few things are black and white, and we are able to reason out the best possible outcomes and even compromise to achieve that goal. Extremists do not compromise, and they are never wrong. They deny their humanity and are willfully ignorant. Your voting 'across the aisle' shows that you are not a rabid extremist, and are capable of free thought. You're just a little misguided sometimes.

The original point though was that the media leans to the right which was countered with -no, it leans to the left-.......I don't think anyone was saying that the media is "extreme".

Therefore, for the purposes of this debate, I think "moderate" is much more narrow than ~anyone who isn't a rabid extremeist~

If I am wrong, then yeah, everyone here except ISM and myself are probably "moderate" /

[wendybeth]

That may have been the original point, but I believe Scaeagles was responding to my point, and I to his. (Seeings how the thread has gone all over the place, I don't think anyone could accuse me of straying off-topic). If you'd like to get back on the topic of media bias, by all means do so, but you started it by asserting that "most" Americans voted for Bush and that anyone who didn't wasn't a moderate.

[sleepyjeff]

Originally Posted by wendybeth

That may have been the original point, but I believe Scaeagles was responding to my point, and I to his. (Seeings how the thread has gone all over the place, I don't think anyone could accuse me of straying off-topic). If you'd like to get back on the topic of media bias, by all means do so, but you started it by asserting that "most" Americans voted for Bush and that anyone who didn't wasn't a moderate.

When do we ever stay not stray off topic

Actually, I did not assert that anyone who didn't vote for Bush was not a moderate but that anyone who found the mere thought of voting for him repugnant wasn't a moderate. A true moderate would have been torn between voting for Bush or Kerry or in the very least would have considered for a moment a vote for Bush....that's all I am saying.