RIP Charlton Heston

[cirquelover]

Originally Posted by Bornieo: Fully Loaded

I always thought it was the "Right to arm Bears."

Ok, for some reason now I have teddy bear picnic stuck in my head. "If you go out in the woods today be sure of a big surprise..."

Thanks

[flippyshark]

Originally Posted by cirquelover

Ok, for some reason now I have teddy bear picnic stuck in my head. "If you go out in the woods today be sure of a big surprise..."

Thanks

For some reason, that song has always seemed sinister to me. As a kid, I pictured an army of evil, sharp-toothed bears marching through the woods to the bouncy chromatic (and foreboding) melody. Brrrr.

[Nephythys]

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman

As do I. And I agree that Heston was mocking. Like a bird.



He practically dared people to kill him. I'm glad his good friend God finally obliged.

Well that's sick and fvcked up- I feel sorry for you right now.

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

Yeech, I'm sensing a distinct lack of respect for a dead man. I guess the internet really is only for tearing people new assholes, even after they've turned 84 and kicked the bucket.

Show some respect. I may not agree with his politics but his film career changed the history of cinema - and I think you movie dorks should at least pay homage to that without spitting in his face before he's even buried.

[LSPoorEeyorick]

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

CH was passionate in his beliefs in terms of gun control. I do not necessarily agree with him on everything, but I do admire his steadfastness.

This is kind of off the subject, but I don't actually admire steadfastness. And, before you say it, yes: even in liberals. I admire people who are willing to listen to other people and get an understanding of the world around them. I admire compassion. (I don't think Heston had a lot, and yes, that is something that is informed by that speech in Denver.)

I have to say that I agree with GC in that I believe a person recently or long-time passed deserves no more respect than someone living. But I try to give everyone their due respect regardless. Heston did some things of merit in his life - in my opinion, mostly creatively. I pay tribute to those things. But I don't have to pay tribute to the others.

[scaeagles]

One who has the courage of convictions is admirable. To listen to others and remain true to what you believe is admirable. Remaining steadfast in what you believe does not equate to a lack of understanding of others or an unwillingness to listen to their opinions.

[Moonliner]

I checked. Mr. Heston is still dead.


Oh wait, he played Moses not Jesus. Never mind.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

I don't actually admire steadfastness. And, before you say it, yes: even in liberals. I admire people who are willing to listen to other people and get an understanding of the world around them. I admire compassion.

You seem to be equating "steadfasness" with being wrong.

Benazir Bhutto, The Dali Lama, Gandhi, All steadfast people who I think fully understood/understand the world around them.

[Strangler Lewis]

Originally Posted by Moonliner

You seem to be equating "steadfasness" with being wrong.

Benazir Bhutto, The Dali Lama, Gandhi, All steadfast people who I think fully understood/understand the world around them.

I think she's saying that in her mind, the depth and breadth of his specific wrongness dwarfs his general virtues such as steadfastness or a winning smile.

Some years back, when his relevance was greater, I contemplated writing a Saturday Night Live skit that would have Pat Buchanan hosting a talk show called "Say What You Will About Hitler." The guests would talk about something in current events and at some point, Pat would turn to the audience who would chant "Say What You Will About Hitler," and Pat would say, "Yes, say what you will about Hitler . . ." and then he'd remark about some general virtue of Hitler's, such as steadfastness, would solve the current problem at issue.

[Moonliner]

Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis

I think she's saying that in her mind, the depth and breadth of his specific wrongness dwarfs his general virtues such as steadfastness or a winning smile.

When she said "This is kind of off the subject" I took that to imply a more general statement that just one applying to Mr. Heston.

[Nephythys]

Anyone's view that he was "wrong" is purely subjective opinion and is not in any way proof that he was in fact- wrong.