Yes, we can. - Page 72

Cadaverous Pallor · 04-15-2008, 01:57 PM

I wonder, if he did get elected, would this country actually start to like politicians that tell the truth? Or would we have to endure supposed offense at everything he ever says?

BarTopDancer · 04-15-2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I wonder, if he did get elected, would this country actually start to like politicians that tell the truth? Or would we have to endure supposed offense at everything he ever says?

Only if the truth is something good. This country has gotten so used to sugar coating, and PCness, and not hurting anyones feelings that people don't want to hear anything negative, unless it sounds positive.

Alex · 04-15-2008, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor

I wonder, if he did get elected, would this country actually start to like politicians that tell the truth? Or would we have to endure supposed offense at everything he ever says?

I don't expect this to change over what we've experienced for the last 16 years (and I'm sure happened before then I just wasn't so aware).

Those not in power will take offense at every possible thing, generally not for their own offense but on behalf of other people.

scaeagles · 04-15-2008, 02:31 PM

Geez...."supposed" offense is all over for every politician! Often times Obama supporters act as if because this is the great Obama no unkind word should come out of any mouth who dare to gaze upon him. He deserves the same treatment as every other politician, and perhaps even a larger helping of examination, because he is so relatively new to the political scene. I will continue to look at and question his motivations and beliefs the same as I, and every other person should, examine the motivations and beliefs of each politician.

You are referring to an aweful lot of people as having "supposed" offense. While I am not one to bow to offense nor really be concerned with it, I am concerned with what the man believes, and will continue to question it, the same as I have with Hillary and McCain - I've probably been more critical of each of them than I have of Obama.

Alex · 04-15-2008, 02:51 PM

I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for plenty of offense and some of it will be justified and other parts won't.

But it is hardly a statement without support that manufactured offense is a big part of the standard political playbook.

scaeagles · 04-15-2008, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

But it is hardly a statement without support that manufactured offense is a big part of the standard political playbook.

Indeed it is standard. Which is why I find it so amazing that when it dared be used against Obama it is found to be so shocking and out of the boundaries of the norm.

JWBear · 04-15-2008, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Indeed it is standard. Which is why I find it so amazing that when it dared be used against Obama it is found to be so shocking and out of the boundaries of the norm.

Perhaps because it comes from people that seem to want for him to fail so desperately that they scrutinize everything he says and does in an attempt to find anything, no matter how trivial, to smear him with. So they leap on this comment with howls of fake outrage; when if, had it been said by one of the other candidates, it would barely have made page 20.

scaeagles · 04-15-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear

Perhaps because it comes from people that seem to want for him to fail so desperately that they scrutinize everything he says and does in an attempt to find anything, no matter how trivial, to smear him with. So they leap on this comment with howls of fake outrage; when if, had it been said by one of the other candidates, it would barely have made page 20.

I completely disagree. Obama has been handled gently by the media, like a precious breakable package that we had best not even think about finding fault in.

The Saturday Night Live Skit with the media falling all over themselves like groupies at an Obama press conference is right on the money.

Alex · 04-15-2008, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaeagles

Indeed it is standard. Which is why I find it so amazing that when it dared be used against Obama it is found to be so shocking and out of the boundaries of the norm.

I don't find it outside the boundaries of the norm. But I think you'll find that I've spoken against a lot of manufactured outrage issues on all sides over the years.

So I don't see me speaking out against this one outside the norm either.

Just speaking for myself though.

JWBear · 04-15-2008, 02:51 PM

Oh, I'll be one of the first to criticize Obama when I hear something I consider worth criticizing. So far, I haven’t.

04-15-2008, 01:57 PM	#1
Cadaverous Pallor ohhhh baby Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parental Bliss Posts: 12,364	I wonder, if he did get elected, would this country actually start to like politicians that tell the truth? Or would we have to endure supposed offense at everything he ever says? __________________ The second star to the right shines in the night for you
	Submit to Quotes

04-15-2008, 02:31 PM	#4
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Geez...."supposed" offense is all over for every politician! Often times Obama supporters act as if because this is the great Obama no unkind word should come out of any mouth who dare to gaze upon him. He deserves the same treatment as every other politician, and perhaps even a larger helping of examination, because he is so relatively new to the political scene. I will continue to look at and question his motivations and beliefs the same as I, and every other person should, examine the motivations and beliefs of each politician. You are referring to an aweful lot of people as having "supposed" offense. While I am not one to bow to offense nor really be concerned with it, I am concerned with what the man believes, and will continue to question it, the same as I have with Hillary and McCain - I've probably been more critical of each of them than I have of Obama.
	Submit to Quotes

04-15-2008, 02:51 PM	#5
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for plenty of offense and some of it will be justified and other parts won't. But it is hardly a statement without support that manufactured offense is a big part of the standard political playbook.
	Submit to Quotes

04-15-2008, 02:51 PM	#10
JWBear Worn Romantic Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Long Beach California Posts: 8,435	Oh, I'll be one of the first to criticize Obama when I hear something I consider worth criticizing. So far, I haven’t. __________________ Unrestrained frivolity will lead to the downfall of modern society.
	Submit to Quotes