Yes, we can. - Page 82

sleepyjeff · 04-23-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear

I did what?

Well, not you personally since I doubt if you live in New Hampshire, South Carolina, or Florida but many Democrats in those states and others did exactly what some Republicans are doing now.....

Great minds thinking alike and what's good for the goose etc

Kevy Baby · 04-23-2008, 05:51 PM

IMO, any theoretical polls (Clinton v McCain or Obama v McCain) are completely worthless at this point.

But then, I think most polls are irrelevant anyways.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-23-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby

IMO, any theoretical polls (Clinton v McCain or Obama v McCain) are completely worthless at this point.

But then, I think most polls are irrelevant anyways.

I tend to agree, but the conversation was started with the "60% of catholics" presented as evidence, so staying within that realm, the polling seems to agree with my assessment. My main point is that there are way too many factors to say that just because Clinton is beating Obama in large states that she'll fare better in the same states in a general election. It's a claim she's been making for months, what exactly is that claim based on? All she might have to hang on would be polls, but those don't even agree.

scaeagles · 04-23-2008, 08:01 PM

Well, in spite of squabbling, this is the type of information that I KNOW concerns dem party leadership.

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Only 50 percent of Clinton voters in Pennsylvania said they would support Obama if he is the nominee. Twenty-six percent said they would back McCain over Obama, and 19 percent said they would not vote at all.

Among Obama’s Pennsylvania voters, 67 percent said they would support Clinton if she is the party's nomine. Seventeen percent said they would back McCain instead, and 12 percent said they would stay home.

Either way, these are simply horrid numbers for the dems. Now, do I believe they will stand that way? Not in the least. There is plenty of time for the eventual nominee to reach out, mend fences, etc, etc, etc. But that's why I want this race to continue on as long as possible. And frankly, with momentum clearly on the side of Hillary, she shouldn't drop out.

3894 · 04-24-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

But that's why I want this race to continue on as long as possible. And frankly, with momentum clearly on the side of Hillary, she shouldn't drop out.

Aw, you're all heart, sceagles. Some talking head summed up the Dem fight pretty well the other night: you have a woman who's "too" tough and a man who's "too" wussy. How the world has changed.

On the Republican side, McCain can't even get the N.C. Republicans to stop running an ad. I'm enjoying that.

Ghoulish Delight · 04-24-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

And frankly, with momentum clearly on the side of Hillary, she shouldn't drop out.

Yes, going from a >20% lead to winning by only 10%. Whew, serious momentum there!

scaeagles · 04-24-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

Yes, going from a >20% lead to winning by only 10%. Whew, serious momentum there!

That's the same talking point the the Governor of Arizona said in her press conference. Glad you are reciting the same things.

scaeagles · 04-24-2008, 06:33 AM

I have no doubt that dems enjoy any problems on the republican side as much as republicans enjoy the distress on the dem side. And of course, you're assuming that McCain really wants the ad to stop running, which I doubt. It is standard operating procedure to have the party structure do the dirty work so that the candidate can appear above the fray, and I have little doubt that's what's happening there.

3894 · 04-24-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

And of course, you're assuming that McCain really wants the ad to stop running, which I doubt.

If so, he made the wrong calculation. It's easy to spin it. How weak McCain is when his even own party at the lowest levels won't listen! Commander-in-chief of nothing!

Now let's talk about McCain's continued confusion between Suni and Shia. Is it calculated or genuine? Either way, he's not presidential material.

scaeagles · 04-24-2008, 07:25 AM

I could easily argue the same thing about Hillary and Obama. Regardless of his constant calls of "hope" and "change", the man has virtually no experience in any area that the President would be responsible for. And Hillary....while I'm currently cheering for her, there is nothing Presidential about her.

So it's all perspective. I'm no McCain fan and you aren't going to hear me say that he is Presidential material, but he is more so than either of the other two.

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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I have no doubt that dems enjoy any problems on the republican side as much as republicans enjoy the distress on the dem side. And of course, you're assuming that McCain really wants the ad to stop running, which I doubt. It is standard operating procedure to have the party structure do the dirty work so that the candidate can appear above the fray, and I have little doubt that's what's happening there.
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04-24-2008, 07:25 AM	#10
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I could easily argue the same thing about Hillary and Obama. Regardless of his constant calls of "hope" and "change", the man has virtually no experience in any area that the President would be responsible for. And Hillary....while I'm currently cheering for her, there is nothing Presidential about her. So it's all perspective. I'm no McCain fan and you aren't going to hear me say that he is Presidential material, but he is more so than either of the other two.
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