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Strangler Lewis · 05-01-2008, 12:16 PM

I don't see why there would be hell to pay if a Republican said that. All Obama appears to be talking about is faith through salvation (or sitting on your butt in the Astrodome) vs. faith through good works.

Whether this is truly admirable, of course, all depends on what one defines as God's work.

scaeagles · 05-01-2008, 02:09 PM

Not a stretch at all, there, really. Wright says he based his entire philosophy on Cone. Obama says (or has implied, certainly) that Wright is a mentor.

If A = B and B = C then A = C.

As far as being in trouble, the whole topic of conversation would be whether or not the republican could keep his religious views out of his governing. He wants to do the Lord's work? What exactly does he think that means? Locking women up in the kitchen with no shoes????? Who's Lord is he referring to?!?!?! We all have our own religious or non religious views and he CAN'T IMPOSE HIS ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Strangler Lewis · 05-01-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

As far as being in trouble, the whole topic of conversation would be whether or not the republican could keep his religious views out of his governing. He wants to do the Lord's work? What exactly does he think that means? Locking women up in the kitchen with no shoes????? Who's Lord is he referring to?!?!?! We all have our own religious or non religious views and he CAN'T IMPOSE HIS ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And these concerns would be legitimate since, at least where the already born are concerned, Republican politicians typically invoke the old time religion in the name of exclusion and intolerance. If some politician wants to (occasionally) humbly cite Jesus's teaching as informing his message of brotherhood and charity, I'm not going to have too much of a problem with it. I believe the vogue phrase these days is "Red Letter Christian."

JWBear · 05-01-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Not a stretch at all, there, really. Wright says he based his entire philosophy on Cone. Obama says (or has implied, certainly) that Wright is a mentor.

If A = B and B = C then A = C.

The first two parts of the equation are just assumptions on your part, not facts.

sleepyjeff · 05-01-2008, 02:34 PM

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"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice. He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."
~B.H. Obama

Never mind the implication that Wright did indeed provide "day-to-day political advice".

So Obama needs Wright to keep from losing himself "in some of the hype and hoopla" of "national politics"...

What will he do now to keep himself from being lost?

Alex · 05-01-2008, 02:36 PM

That's true. But I would argue then when most Republicans say they are pursuing the Lord's work (as many of them have without seeming to suffer too much for it) that is often the only reason they can give for it.

So far, I haven't yet heard Obama say "I'm proposing Policy Z because it is what God would want." When he does that, I'll mock him just as much as I do any of the other hundreds of politicians that have pulled that stunt. I don't ask that religious people not be informed by their faith (though I would be happier if they weren't), just that their faith not be presented as justification.

While we're using math:

"mentor" != = & ∴ B != C ∴ A != C

Kevy Baby · 05-01-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

While we're using math:

"mentor" != = & ∴ B != C ∴ A != C

That's fuzzy math.

scaeagles · 05-01-2008, 04:19 PM

I would argue that at least the second part of the equation is true enough to most people has caused Obama to react as he has in order to stop the tremendous tide of negative public opinion. I don't think anyone here (perhaps I'm wrong) thinks Obama distancing himself from Wright is anything but political expedience.

Based on Wright saying that Cone and his philosophy are what he based the philosophy of his church on, I would think the first part is relative sound as well.

€uroMeinke · 05-01-2008, 07:32 PM

I don't get the controversy - I mean, so are we supposed to be worried that Obama will stop the infect African americans with aids program, or spoil the next 911 conspiracy?

scaeagles · 05-01-2008, 08:08 PM

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I don't get the controversy - I mean, so are we supposed to be worried that Obama will stop the infect African americans with aids program, or spoil the next 911 conspiracy?

Personally, I think it speaks to poor judgment.

05-01-2008, 12:16 PM	#1
Strangler Lewis Doing The Job Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In a state Posts: 3,956	I don't see why there would be hell to pay if a Republican said that. All Obama appears to be talking about is faith through salvation (or sitting on your butt in the Astrodome) vs. faith through good works. Whether this is truly admirable, of course, all depends on what one defines as God's work. __________________ Live now-pay later. Diner's Club!
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Not a stretch at all, there, really. Wright says he based his entire philosophy on Cone. Obama says (or has implied, certainly) that Wright is a mentor. If A = B and B = C then A = C. As far as being in trouble, the whole topic of conversation would be whether or not the republican could keep his religious views out of his governing. He wants to do the Lord's work? What exactly does he think that means? Locking women up in the kitchen with no shoes????? Who's Lord is he referring to?!?!?! We all have our own religious or non religious views and he CAN'T IMPOSE HIS ON ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	That's true. But I would argue then when most Republicans say they are pursuing the Lord's work (as many of them have without seeming to suffer too much for it) that is often the only reason they can give for it. So far, I haven't yet heard Obama say "I'm proposing Policy Z because it is what God would want." When he does that, I'll mock him just as much as I do any of the other hundreds of politicians that have pulled that stunt. I don't ask that religious people not be informed by their faith (though I would be happier if they weren't), just that their faith not be presented as justification. While we're using math: "mentor" != = & ∴ B != C ∴ A != C
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I would argue that at least the second part of the equation is true enough to most people has caused Obama to react as he has in order to stop the tremendous tide of negative public opinion. I don't think anyone here (perhaps I'm wrong) thinks Obama distancing himself from Wright is anything but political expedience. Based on Wright saying that Cone and his philosophy are what he based the philosophy of his church on, I would think the first part is relative sound as well.
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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I don't get the controversy - I mean, so are we supposed to be worried that Obama will stop the infect African americans with aids program, or spoil the next 911 conspiracy? __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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